If Tyson came around today...

1986 Tyson vs James Tillis : Tillis did well angainst a 19 year old Tyson still lost the decision.
1986 Tyson vs Mitch Green : Green got his ass kicked across the Ring receiving a 10 round beating without winning one round.
1986 Tyson vs Jose Ribalta : Ribalta did well to last as long as he did still lost in a fight that Tyson dominated.
1987 Tyson vs James smith : Held on for dear life to survive
1987 Tyson vs Tny Tucker : Did well in the first rounds was beaten as the fight progressed was being outjabbed from the seventh round on
1987 Tyson vs Tyller Biggs : Biggs was DOMINATED and played with by Tyson before being stopped.

Did you actually see these fights or did you just read Tyson boxrec record ?.

 

I think Tyson would ruin the **** out of Wlad. 6th round KO.

 

You're joking?! Tyson would annihilate Wlad. Wlad would be beaten before the fight started, he's too nervous to go after the likes of Thompson, not to mention his weak chin. Vitali on the other hand would be interesting but then he can take a punch.

 

I've seen these fights and i ****ing KNOW that he was winning. That's not the point. I don't care that he won. I'm talking about the time it took him to finish these bums.

Based on his performance (in other words , "prime" Tyson) against these fighters , i don't see why it would be "easier" today. All eras had ups and downs and yet , people are talking about the past as if it was somehow better when it wasn't.

I can take any era and demonstrate the pros and cons.
Whether we're talking about today , or the 90's , 70's , 60's , (or 80's in tyson's case).

You guys are truly deluded. Just as deluded as any fans. (hey me included...at least , a few years ago i was).

Today, i'll be the first one to admit these certitudes about x or x fighter are utter bull****. No one is invincible.
And prime tyson or not , it wouldn't change a thing.

I'd go as far as to say that Tyson (prime of course) was blessed to dominate the 80's. He never had to deal with big talented fighters. ( Golota doesn't count , he's a mental midget...and even that **** had enough to dominate ANOTHER ultra-overrated fighter aka Riddick Bowe)

There was no such thing as a David Tua in Tyson's era. No such thing as a Lennox Lewis...nor a talented & big white fighter (Vitali)...And don't get me started with Tommy Morrison (not even white anyway...and also overrated.)...all other white fighters were nothing more than the black man's favorite dish...CANS. Or Overrated , glorified , "white hopes" (only white americans could come up with such an insulting concept) (white hopes...such as Gerry Cooney).

As far as i'm concerned...Since eastern europe used to be banned from participating back then , americans had an unfair privilege in the HW division. Ever since it became more international , they had to deal with a major reality check.

And i sincerly hope that china will soon be part of the family. Considering that there's billions of them...They'd have no problem finding a skilled & big guy to represent their country.

I don't buy into the "Übermensch" , "super human" , boxer. It is utter **** to me. I don't go ape**** for a prime Tyson because Tyson was ****ing human and nothing more.

One of the rare and true champs of the last decade was Lennox Lewis. (not that he was perfect either...) , But had more merit than any versions of Tyson. Unfortunately Lennox retired just when the division was starting to get more and more outside competitors...(it certainly woulda be interesting since he had a bunch of losses as an amateur , against several eastern euros). But only had to fight Zeljko Mavrovic & Vitali as a pro.

And his loss against Rahman tarnishes in no way his REAL legacy.
Tyson's legacy ? A cocktail of bums , **** , prison , verbal insults & mental instabilities. (Look how he used to react each time he'd be frustrated...His fight vs Holyfield is a perfect example...Not to mention his fight vs McBride & Danny Williams...yeah , yeah he was "past prime" there , but he was his old self...mentally speaking...he simply wasn't comparable to any other champions...The only other guy who used to be just as ****ed up as him was Golota)

He was ridiculed by Lennox too (but he's got the "past prime" excuse).
It's bull****...Some of you know it but will never admit it. There was no such thing as a Lennox Lewis in the 80's... Buster Douglas pulled it off... NO ONE was expecting it.

Then , Of course! Buster Douglas became one of the most ultra-overrated boxer in history (but only for a very brief period of time) since Holyfield was there to put him back in his place. & did what Tyson was absolutely incapable of doing.

Tyson even delibarately AVOIDED a past prime Foreman.

The media transformed Tyson into a monster. The media represented that guy as a god. They created him and all the hype that goes with it. There's never been anything like him ever since. All it took...was a young prodigy & very athletic guy , looking like a monster against nobodies (or past prime fighters)...a little bit of personal scandals here and there...some insults , years in prison and you had the perfect recipe for the making of a bad ass "legend".

And like impressionable little kids , people ate every bit of it.

There's another guy who's getting all the attention today. (although he doesn't have 1/4th of tyson's talent)...It's Kimbo. It only took an internet video of him eating punches and annihilating street thugs to get a reputation)..."that's how a ***** eat" INSTANT CLASSIC...Give me a break....

Tyson:

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

Give me a ****ing break!...REALITY CHECK
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Tyson: to McBride

"Im gonna gut you like a fish!"

Like Foreman once said:

"Mike Tyson's not all that bad. If you dig deep ... dig real deep, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, deep, deep, go all the way to China ...
I'm sure, you'll find there's a nice guy in there."

Probably so , but enuff is enough. He was a fantastic athlete but overrated as hell.

 

This is a really bad post

 

Actually there is some truth in it also he exagerated it far too much. But there is some truth.

 

how do these slow plodders even manage to hit tyson.. your talking about a guy that wasnt even seriously wobbled until he lost to buster.. its frustrating how little credit tyson gets for his defence.. people who dont like him watch his highlight reels and write him off as a one dimensional slugger with no heart, chin or stamina whatsover. the fact is he showed against buster he had more heart etc in his big toe than these guys do today.. can you imagine an undertrained,exhausted, barely concious wlad making sure he picks up his mouthguard so the ref will let him keep fighting?.... NO WAY!

 

It's possible he lays Wlad out early, but Wlad at least has the tools to make things interesting.
Vitali I excluded simply because he's not active. He's be a tough fight for Tyson I think.

 

Wow. That came across as a rant, almost personal.

I don't recall anyone saying Tyson was invincible. Frankly, I don't think he'd need to be to beat today's guys. It's always possible that someone puts up a stiffer fight that we anticiapted, but there is no denying this era is not great, Wlad aside. Povetkin is still unproven and if he fights Wlad we'll see how good he is.

You call the fighters of the 80's "nobodies" yet seem to think Tyson would somehow struggle against today's palooka's? Odd.

 

You know, I think he´s right about the 80s. Those were weak to average fighters just like this division but I think Valuev and Chagaev are harder opponents for Tyson than any 80s opponent. He would blitz Wlad but he would be in a fight against the other two.

 

Tyson would not be the phenomenon today he was in the 80s.

To start of with, he would not be able to fight as often as he did, and although he had a lot of fights where he was at or near his peak, the time span was relatively short (roughly 24 months).

In the late part of this decade Tyson gets ten fights top in this time period. Six of them would be needed against fringe and alphabet contenders, that would lead to four bouts against the best of the division.

I am pretty sure Tyson would win all his fights, but his genius was flawed and after the two peak years like he did post Spinks, Tyson would be unable to hold his crazy life together and would self destruct.

 

I don't think the 80's fighters were as bad as they're sometimes made out to be. I've been watching quite a lot of 80's footage again and these were skilled fighters; certainly their workrate was superior to today's guys. Tyson made many of them look bad, but were they bad or even merely average fighters?
I don't think so personally.

 

I would definitely say they were better than today's crop. Tyson just obliterated them to the point that people see them as **** fighters today.

 

Well you certainly showed your true colors with that long Diatribe.

And no i dont believe you actually saw any of those fights otherwise you would never have put the Biggs fight as an example of a fight where Tyson ''struggled''

You saw the fights on Tysons record and formed your opinion without ever actually seeing those fights.