IF Tyson had a Futch, Dundee, Clancy, Freddie Brown, Steward, Turner or Kenny Adams?

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  1. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Reid worked with Tyson for a couple weeks during his comeback. Tyson didn't meld with him and they parted ways.


    No More Nonsense For Reid Tyson's Kod By His Trainer


    BY MICHAEL KATZ
    Thursday, August 27, 1998

    Jesse Reid, one of boxing's most respected trainers, has walked out on Mike Tyson after a chaotic week in a Las Vegas gym.
    Among other things, Reid refused to co-train with an actor and filmmaker.
    The no-nonsense Reid told The News yesterday he still wants the job, "but under the right circumstances."
    Under the right circumstances, Reid might be a perfect fit for a fighter coming off two losses to Evander Holyfield and a revoked license for ear-biting.
    Reid said circumstances were lacking Monday when he told Tyson, "Good luck in your training," and left a small gym near the fighter's Vegas home. He said Tyson was doing well when "all of sudden this guy comes in, Tom Patti, and says to Mike, 'You're out of sync,' and next thing I know he's talking to Mike."


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    He told Patti, a Tyson boyhood friend from the Catskills, "You know so much, you don't need me."
    Maybe Patti doesn't, but Tyson does.
    But even last week, before Patti's arrival, Reid told The News he was unhappy with the "anger surrounding Mike."
    He described Tyson, who faces a Sept. 19 Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing to have his license restored, as "angry, confused, with a mess of crazy people around him, like that guy in the camouflages (a paid cheerleader known as 'Crocodile'). They treated me like white trash."
    On Tuesday, Reid said, he was visited by Tyson at the Las Vegas Hilton, where the trainer is quartered for fights there this weekend, and "Mike apologized for all the mess and told me he wanted me back."
    But Reid, who trains world junior-bantamweight champion Johnny Tapia on Saturday's card in Las Vegas, told Tyson, "I think it's best I stay away while you think it over, and when you're ready not to listen to these clowns, I think we can accomplish a lot."
    "I didn't feel comfortable with what I see right now," Reid told The News. "I'm not going to be knocking down any doors. I'd be happy to get the shot because I think I can help him. I think he respected me and I respect him."
    He said he could work with Tyson's new advisers Shelly Finkel, Jeff Wald and Irving Azoff and conditioner Carlos Blackwell.
    Reid, who has trained such champions as Roger Mayweather, Bruce Curry, Gaby and Orlando Canizalez and Reggie Johnson, was not assured of the job. Richie Giachetti, Tyson's last trainer, and Freddie Roach are still possibilities.
    Reid, 56, whose son Jesse Jr., a novice cruiserweight, appears on a Friday-night card at the Las Vegas Hilton, said he did not want to "throw aside" his other fighters "because I got a job one day or one month with Mike Tyson."
    Reid said Tyson, 32, could still be a champion. "He's got so much talent, he's so fast, so strong, so powerful," said Reid. "But he needs to be surrounded by calm, he needs to relax. You're talking about a guy who's a walking time bomb.
    "When I look at Mike Tyson, I see a guy who has many more dimensions than Holyfield. He has a little more kicks in his punch than Holyfield, a little more speed. He let Holyfield outsmart him."
    Reid said he wanted "to add a few inches more to Tyson's shoulder, stop squaring off, turn at a 45-degree angle and get a little more rotation in his punches and throw more combinations. I wanted to raise his confidence."
     
  2. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I don't think it would matter too much who he trainer was.
    Tyson made a lot of money very early on, was a troubled kid from the ghetto who suddenly had the whole world at his feet. He was beating challengers easily.
    It doesn't matter if you have the best trainer in the world, he can't make you improve or keep from from regressing if you don't want it yourself.

    The reason Tyson fired Rooney is because he didn't feel he needed him. Sure, he might have respected a Futch even more, but sooner or later Tyson's going to be doing his thing and listening to the wrong advice because it's an easy way out.
    Tyson was a grown man.
    Even if D'amato had lived, it's likely Tyson would have resented him or rebelled against D'amato's regimen. And why not ?
    Tyson was a human being, not just a machine or a lump of clay to be moulded into Cus's perfect fighter.