If Tyson had fought in the 60s and 70s, would he have ever won a world title?

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I don't understand why you can pick some of the only matches where Ruddock moves well, but can't pick some of the matches where Liston moves well. Maybe you just don't know that much about Liston despite talking so much about him.

 

You lied in the first sentence by claiming that "all the vids I post is multiple matches in highlights" since you always link that Razor video which is just a single fight. Ironic isn't it? Now apparently I shouldn't have a reason to read or answer to the rest of your post.

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Tunney wasn't from Louis' era, but I think he still qualifies to prove you wrong. Surely Tunney moves at least better than Razor Ruddock. Walcott and Charles also had fantastic movement and footwork. Even Dempsey moved occasionally really well for example in the start of the Willard fight. Personally I think Louis had great footwork, but I know you don't agree. There were many others with good movement, but I only picked the most obvious ones not to confuse you.

 

Tyson could definately win the belt I don't think he would hold on to it for that long considering he failed to do that in his own era. As for dismissing the old timers you are not seeing the full picture as film back then was shot at anything from 16-24 frames per second I though this as a child and worked out pretty quickly that I coudn't just go of video availible on its own. They're intangibles that need to be equated but they do require some intelligence to understand. If they need explaining on a forum about boxing then you maybe trying to explain something they are incapable of understanding. That's just something I understand through life experience.

 

Tyson was a great fighter but there is no getting around the fact that a large percentage of what made him look so dazzling was that too many of Tysons World level opponents were out matched.

If you look at the World title challengers throughout the 1960s most of them were coming off career best wins. They were prepared to do their best.

Ingo, Liston, Patterson, mcneeley, Ali, Chuvalo, Terrell, Cooper, Folley, London, Mildenburger, Williams, Frazier, Mathis, Ramos, Quarry, Bonavena and Ellis. How many of these guys were really outmatched going into title fights? Not that many!

so far as recent fights go, the vast majority of these challengers had won fights and were moving forward with their careers.

williams, Mcneeley and London were probably the poorest challengers of that entire decade.

But if you look at the Tyson era of challengers, specifically Tysons actual World Level opposition, his guys were vastly outmatched.

Berbick was at a career high, coming off career best wins. Smith too. Tucker if you like. Douglas as well. And that is it.

Everyone else was lined up to knock over. No recent form whatsoever. And Tyson benefits from this.

If we are going to put Tyson in another decade, this needs calibrated.

 

cause compared to vids I ahown he still missed mutiple advances in movements I dont do like you people and look like this

look at the point where he used good movement for a couple mins

 

no those dudes didnt move good. compared ether and I never separate like your doing

I say in general which can go for upper or lower

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watch some parts it starts off with razor moving around circular smoothly
his upperbody movement is way more advanced stuff they never did back then

 

Troll

 

I will back this up.

 

stop drinking took from the best parts of louis matches where did you ever see him skipping at

why dont you stop drinking that's razor skipping like that not Louis and no razor is not moving slow he is using the ring
ether your drinking or just trolling trying to joke I dont joke here

 

well yea I argee louis didnt get hit much but look at how they fought Jersey was the best mover ever in the black and white era before ali he did it to you left him out

Louis never skipped around like I shown razor doing or a ali so dont know why your saying that lie Louis was a tiptoer
bowe upperbody movement was way better which you left out

stop doing the picking of the footwork quote
which shows you see the upper movement is way more advanced so use footwork to try to expose a flaw you cant

compared to that era or before the way bowe feet moved is better

 

Hey Chok. The thing I disagree with you mostly is the fact you keep stating just because a fighter wasn't coming off their best win means they weren't prepared or at their best when facing Mike Tyson. That's called an opinion and doesn't have any factual basis and ti doesnt mean they weren't at their best when facing Tyson.

For some reason you stick to your theory and there's really no scientific proof to your argument unless you watch their actual fight against Tyson. Pink Thomas was coming off 2 lackluster performances against cannon fodder before he faced Tyson. Now these were stay busy fights to keep him in line for a title shot. And look how he fought against Tyson...he came to fight, survived a 1st round bombardment and stayed even from rounds 2-5.

History has shown that athletes aren't always great but perform greatly when they have to. Because they weren't on a 10 fight winning streak doesn't automatically mean they weren't prepared. Fighters trained like demons when a fight with Tyson was looming, for fear of getting absolutely annihilated.

Saying certain fighters were coming off their best wins also doesn't mean they were at their best when facing Tyson. Plenty of evidence to the contrary, like Evander Holyfield for instance. But that's another topic for another thread.

 

nice to see legends debating each other
but chok even though a legend like you is known to use flawed quotes

everything you said was right that myth of everybody was bums has been shown to be a lie years ago why it's still being said I dont know

 

Holmes had been dug up from a retirement that is factual.

Tubbs had not beaten a rated fighter himself for a very long time. I think Page was his last real win and this happened at the start or before the start of Tysons actual career. I think that’s a very good advantage. The champion is defending against a guy who last won an important fight around the time the champ himself was turning pro. Where as Tyson is active and coming off recent wins over Smith, Tucker and Thomas. When had a previous champion defended against somebody like that? A guy who hasn’t beat a ranked guy since the champ turned pro?

Almost the same story with Thomas. Weaver was his last important win. That was a long time ago. Yes pink had been kept going with recent outings against unranked opposition. Still an advantage for Mike when Thomas has not beat a live opponent for so long.

Bruno had not fought in a long time. He had trained more than once for the fight with Tyson and was messed around with dates and cancellations..and you had to go all the way back to Gerrie Coetzee to find the last important win Frank had unless you count Joe Bugner 14 months earlier. Over the same 14 months Tyson fought 4 times. That’s another advantage for Mike. Wouldn’t you rather meet Bruno when he hadn’t fought for 14 months?

Spinks was a signature win for Tyson. But Spinks last beat a good fighter years earlier when he beat Larry. Spinks then fought a second time in 1986 once in 1987 then he’s fighting Tyson for his first fight in 12 months. Tyson has fought 9 times in the time Spinks fought twice. That’s a hell of an advantage here. Even if it is a good match on paper, Wouldn’t you rather take an opponent who fought so few times to your fighter?

The odds were stacked against these guys more heavily than in previous eras. Quality of opposition in the challengers had nose dived.