If Usyk (6'3, 215 lbs) destroys Fury. Ali becomes the h2h goat?

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  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of people were of the assumption since heavyweights champions have become 6'7 + 250 lbs++ the heavyweights of yester year would be too small to beat them, and current heavyweights are the Head to head goats.

    If Usyk destroys Fury, or even beats him, does this change your opinion regarding Ali?
     
  2. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Lol! :D Uhhhh No. That’s not how it works.

    But Usyk’s H2H ATG stock sure as **** goes up though!

    Sorry but someone who losses arguably three times to Norton and once to an eight fight novice isn’t The H2H goat.
     
  3. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why would someone's accomplishment raise someone else's status ?
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    or vice versa.

    People are on a mad one today coming up with weird theories

    I think 12 months without HW boxing has messed with people's brains
     
  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali wouldn't beat Usyk:

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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't forget having to cheat after Cooper knocked him silly.

    Great, great fighter, but mortal nonetheless.
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You make it sound like Usyk wouldn't have alot of problems vs Norton.

    Norton did very well against 2 ATG Heavyweights in Ali and Holmes. His weakness was elite level punchers but Usyk certainly isn't a puncher.

    I could easily see Usyk losing to a prime Ken Norton over 15 rounds.
     
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  8. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    You might need to get your memory checked because Ali didn’t cheated in that fight.
     
  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, you might have to educate yourself because even Angelo Dundee admitted it.
     
  10. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Yes, Angelo cut Ali's glove when he staggered back to the corner. The glove change bought Ali precious time. Did it make a difference in the outcome? Nobody can say for sure.
     
  11. Claude

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    Admitted to what? That he cut the glove? Because he never did. He said it was already there and he pointed it out to the ref in the interview. Since the gloves were not replaced the fight was not delayed for more than six seconds. All of this is on film.
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  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dundee admitted to splitting it, and the footage of six seconds that someone dug up is obviously and edit, as the Dundee, THE TIMEKEEPER, and others have talked about a much longer timeframe.

    History gets re-written to favor the victors.
     
  13. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    There was no glove change. Ali continued fighting with the torn glove on film.
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  14. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    plus the biggest fix ever with the phantom punch vs liston.
     
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  15. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    What’s your source.
    Point out the time where the video was cut.
    and contradicted each other. Dundee talked about people going to the dressing room to look for new gloves, which the General Secretary of the British Boxing Board of Control said never happened.