If Usyk beats Dubois, Hrgovic and Zhang, is he a HW ATG?

Yeah I think he would. Although that says as much about how weak the era is and the low standards we hold HWs to as anything else. I mean we've seen Fury hailed as an ATG off the back of beating old Wlad, Wilder, Del Boy and Whyte pretty much.

 

An ATG HW? No

 

You can only fight who they put in front of you, and boxers who will get in the ring with you.

Assuming wins over Dubois and winner of Joyce/Big Bang, I can see Usyk as an ATG. In the conversation for top 20 or so all time. Of course, adding Fury (who surely should be ranked well above 20 all time) would be icing on the cake, but obviously Fury will not get in the ring with him.

Wilder will be 39 in October 2024, which would be the closest he and Usyk would fight, and conceivably not till 2025 so that match will probably not happen as Usyk is getting older as well. Anyway I have to laugh as Wilder in here is always disparaged, mocked and ridiculed but OMG Usyk hasnt fought him.

 

The guys had 20 Pro fights...

5 of them against heavyweights (2× AJ) in 4 years he's fought 4 guys at HW.

Nowhere near ATG status and I doubt he'll ever do enough at HW to become a HW great, tbh I can't see it.

 

I think Usyk will experience a sudden decline due to his age, but you have to consider that Zhang and Joyce are older than him, Dubois has a chance to beat him because he is young and hungry, so he probably won't be HW ATG...

 

Not impossible. For some, this happens earlier, others hold up until 39-40.

 

Well lets look at it rationally. His heavyweight resume would be the following.

Chazz Witherspoon - journeymen level with 3 losses already one to another journeymen in Seth Mitchell. D Grade win

Dereck Chisora - gatekeeper level and at 36 was already shop worn to say the least. C grade win

Anthony Joshua - unified champion in his prime, but not a proven great and already beaten by Ruiz Jr. A grade win

Daniel Dubois - paper titlist, already beaten by Joyce and dropped 3 times by a former cruiserweight, totally unproven at top level. C grade win

Hrgovic - top contender, only one decent opponent faced in Zhang who he barely beat. B grade win

Joyce/Zhang - top contender, solid record for a contender having faced and beaten other contenders. B+ win

So Usyk would have one top level opponent, 2 good contenders, a unproven fringe contender, a gate keeper and a journeymen as his supposedly great heavyweight resume.

For me he needs more than that, he needs to beat Fury to cement himself as a great heavyweight. That or a long lengthy reign if Fury keeps ducking him, but at his age that seems unlikely.

 

Neither Usyk or Fury are touching any top 10 heavyweight list unless they become Undisputed.
Usyk isn't young enough to become ATG by knocking over a record breaking row of bums.

 

What a very strange response.

 

Great breakdown. Bottom line is he needs Fury or another 8-10 quality defenses to be an ATG in the division.

 

I would favor Usyk head-to-head against the vast majority of previous heavyweight champions, including some universally regarded as ATGs. But unfortunately for him, you can’t be an ATG without earning it.