If Usyk retired today, where would he rank all time P4P and at HW?

Usyk has done everything in boxing. There's no challenge he has not faced and defeated, including his great amateur record. His professional record is short but he has faced a who's who of quality fighters in their home town. This was topped off by his defeat of the consensus best HWs of this generation who were all much bigger.

He is the greatest fighter of this generation and up there all time, possibly top 10 to 15.

 

Compare Usyk to Glass Jaw Roy Jones. Jones goes up to Heavyweight and handpicks the worst trinket beltholder at the time in Ruiz and wins. He's a god. Usyk goes up and fights THE Heavyweight Champion (after already beating the #2 guy at the time twice) and people question how good he is and his place in history

 

RJJ started his professional career as a Middleweight and moved up from Light Heavyweight to Heavyweight not even weighing 200 pounds when he beat Ruiz.

Usyk started his professional career as a Cruiserweight and has fought over 200 pounds in other fights. For example Usyk weighed 212 pounds against Joyce when they fought in 2013.

Big difference.

 

No active boxer right now is in the top 20 maybe not even 30-40.
This is kind of the hobby era.

 

Irrelevant. Glass Jaw Roy won a trinket belt he did not fight Lennox Lewis who was THE Champion at the time. Usyk would absolutely obliterate and Shatter Roy's Fragile Glass Jaw at any weight - be it Light Heavyweight, Cruiserweight, or Heavyweight. Usyk is far superior to Roy BOTH in all time status and P4P status.

 

How is it irrelevant ? Usyk is a big Cruiserweight who has weighed over 200 pounds in numerous fights before he officially moved up to Heavyweight.

RJJ started his professional career as a Middleweight and never even fought at Cruiserweight. So of course it's harder for RJJ to fight at Heavyweight he never weighed over 200 pounds and is only 5'11 and is considerably smaller than Usyk.

Usyk better than RJJ in all time rankings ? Debatable.

Would Usyk beat him in a H2H match up ? Well of course. Usyk is considerably bigger than RJJ as I said and is the better H2H fighter at Cruiserweight/Heavyweight that's plainly obvious.

 

Strange how you zero in on a completely different fighter who doesn't have a similar career, in terms of weight and divisions campaigned in, to make your seemingly wayward points.

 

Because it shows the laughable absurdity of it all. Jones never cleaned out a division, never fully unified a division, never beat a lineal, unified, or undisputed champion in his whole career. Yet muppets on here are questioning Usyk?

There isn't an accolade in the sport that Usyk hasn't accomplished. He is a P4P ATG. It's not up for debate. Usyk is the very definition of a P4P fighter. He isn't handpicking fights and carefully moving himself through divisions like Glass Jaw Roy and more recently Canelo have done.

 

It's not debatable to anyone with an IQ above 70. Usyk's resume shits on Roy's.

 

No he doesn't. It's debatable.

Roy has beaten Toney, Hopkins. 2 all time greats right there even if you wanna put asterisk which can be done for many, Mike Mccallum was a decent win but he was past it. Montell Griffin. Hill, Gonzalez, Ruiz at heavy, Tarver 1, Pazienza

Not here to pick a winner but you're Insane and i find it ironic for you to be talking about room temperature iq. I will say that Usyk is clean and more respectable

 

I like Usyk - see my post earlier in this thread. I think he is virtually a one of a kind fighter in the sport today.
That said, I am also a big Jones fan. I don't see this discussion as a shootout between the two, although I understand now the point you are making. I'm not sure I would try to downplay one ATG to elevate another. They are completely different fighters with completely different careers. Both amazing fighters.
I take your point that Roy's resume, arguably, may not be as good as Usyks, in terms of cleaning out two divisions. But Jones still had some very good wins and stand out performances. I wouldn't put many - including even Usyk - on the level of a peak Jones, in terms of outrageous P4P speed, reflexes and aesthetic style. But we can respectfully agree to disagree.
I must add that I do find it curious when Jones is criticised as having a 'glass jaw' despite no issues being registered in the chin department until he was in his mid 30s onwards - and clearly finished. All the best anyway.

 

Well then you must have an IQ of 70 then or haven't done enough research on both mens resume.

RJJ has a win over an ATG in Bernard Hopkins.

RJJ has a win over James Toney who is considered a great who was P4P number 3 at the time.

Another win over Virgil Hill who is a hall of fame fighter who could be considered a great Light Heavyweight with the amount of title defenses he made.

Has Usyk beat any fighter who was ranked in the top 10 P4P ?

Has Usyk beat any fighter who could be considered a great or ATG ?

Usyk has a very good resume but it's baffling to think RJJ is not on par with Usyk's resume.

 

Reckon he would.

 

Short career at heavy but wins over

the champ Fury
1 contender Joshua first fight
2 contender Joshua second fight
Top 10 contender Dubois

That’s 4 top shelf wins. I think it puts him top 25. H2H he is much higher as he has beaten different styles.

 

He was widely regarded as the best in the divisions he competed in, Usyk never cleaned out a division either