If Vitali and Wlad did fight today ?

Good point, sonny.

That was well argued.

Not that it matters, about a quarter of my posts have been in the classic.
over the past three years or so.

And I've watched a fair number of the fights discussed in here, live.

Starting with Ali-Liston.

Try again, soldier boy.

 

So did Vitali against Corrie Sanders.

So now you're saying quitting isn't a definitive determinant of toughness? That completely undermines your point.

So according to you, a guy who toughs it out for longer into a fight before quitting is somehow "worse" than someone who can't even tough it out for half as long into a fight? :huh

Anyone who quits is failing to do something someone else did. Why the double standard here?

 

Let's forget everything else before this becomes confusing. I will stick to this. A 40 year over the hill fighter fought for 11 rounds with a torn rotator cuff against Chris Bryd, and survived to go the distance.

A 28 year old undefeated champion quit against Chris Bryd with

A. 2(or 3) rounds to go

B. Against a feather fisted fighter whom he posessed frightening physical advantages over. This man had no possibly chance of hurting him, even if he could only fight with "one arm"

C. Vitali could be seen in round 9 punching back with both hands. If the injury was so severe, why was he punching back with both hands?

D. Vitali just needed to go out there, stall, hold him off, for just a couple rounds. Then he could go home still undefeated WBO champion and post fight reports would show he gallantly sucked it up and finished the fight with a "Severe" injury...This would have enhanced his legacy. Instead he chose the alternative route.


You think Evander Holyfield, 40 years old, ever thought about quitting in that holyfield fight once? Hell, holy didn't even have a chance to win. Vitali just needed to go out and dance for a couple rounds. Why could Holyfield do it and Vitali couldn't?

 

It's not about toughing it out. Its about being thoroughly outclassed to the point of needing to quit on your stool. See Pacman-Delahoya. See brewster-Klitschko II. Gatti-Mayweather.

 

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Take a look at the reaction of Vitali Quitting. Everyone in the place was SHOCKED. Even Larry Merchant said "he does not have the mentallity of a champion. I can't believe he did that. You have a bad hand? So wut! I have never seen anything like that Jim. Im speechless. All he had to do was stand in there for a few rounds, play defense, and win the fight! He was way way ahead."

 

I always felt Vitali was the meaner of the 2 but Vlad has improved and although cautious has had plenty of good KO's with both hands. He also has a dominant jab. Vitali is more of a rytym breaker but if they fought right now Vlad I feel would win a decision. Vitali impressed me with his wins over Peter,Gomez,Areola, and I cant blame him for Johnson survivor fight but although he impressed he did not show the kind of power Vlad did in his right hand ko's over Brock,Thompson,Chageav,Byrd, and his left handed KO's over Austin,Chambers and the 11th rd Hook vs Peter. Vlad has the much better offence while Vitali is awkward and hard to hit and has a weird assortment of arm punches. Vlad by UD 12

 

As I said, any time a fighter quits, he is failing where someone else succeeded.

You could just as well ask, Why couldn't Liston last as long into a fight with Ali as Patterson and Terrell did? Both of them were severely injured too, and in fact getting punished far worse than Liston was.

I don't know what answer you're looking for here, or what this even has to do with anything; but Holy has admitted that he's thought about quitting in fights.

Because very few fighters can do the sort of things Holyfield does. That's how he got to be considered an ATG in the first place.

 

Ok then. Maybe I am a little too hard on Vitali vs Byrd, but i watched that fight live(one of the first times I really got to see Vitali in spotlight) and it just left a horrible first impression on me. I do rate Vitali in my top 40 all time, but I do not think he is a great fighter.

I hope he sticks around long enough to fight Kubrat, hellenian, Haye, Povetkin, Solis. All big legacy boosters that will enhance my opinion on him.

 

Vitali hurt his shoulder in round three, as reported by the HBO interpreter in his corner. The stoppage was more due to Vitali worrying about his future in the ring. He was not concerned with winning the fight.

Holyfield shoulder injury was not as bad of a tear. Speak to someone who tears their shoulder. They can't' lift 5 pounds. Despite the fact Vitali took this fight on less than 2 weeks notice, he was out boxing a prime Byrd with one good working arm. Without the fluke injury, Vitali wins this fight easy.

 

SuzieQ is the king of the double standards, and seems fixated on certain topics. Sometimes I remind him. Other times I just let it slide as he does not have critical objective thinking on certain topics of boxing. Maybe one day he'll value his brains over his heart.

Other times he is a decent poster, and can add some good stuff to the board.

 

Mendoza you have been exposed time and time again by many posters as the king of double standards. I could go back and pick out at least 10 different instances where this has happened. You are also the ultimate king of bias posting when it comes to Klitschko and Jeffries, and everybody knows it but you.

 

If he was so worried about his future in the ring, why did he quit in round 10 instead of back in round 3? :hey.

Classic Vitali Bull**** right there


"Evander undergone an MRI on his left shoulder. Doctors Javier Duarte and Marvin Royster confirmed that the pain Evander experienced in the first round of his fight with chris byrd was caused by an acute tear in his rotator cuff, specificully the super spinatis tendon. The MRI also revealed some londer term damage and potential bone spurs."- Holyfield Way Biography


"I knew I had the option to stop fighting and no one would have critisized my decision under the circumstances, but I did not want to disappoint all of the people who had come or tuned in to see me. I had shown those people over many years that nothing could ever make me quit. Even more than that, though, I could not quit, because that is not who I am. I would rather lose trying even if it was hopeless than Quit."- Evander Holyfield



You think Vitali has a mentality like that?

 

Byrd took the fight on 10 days notice. Nice Try.

 

Wlad stops him on cuts in the middle rounds. Vital's leaning back defensive tactic would not work due to Wlad's superior speed and similar size. Vitali takes several jabs and a few right hands and his face becomes a bloody mess, worse than the Lennox bout.