If Vitali defended his belt 7 times in 1 year.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Black2023, Nov 30, 2011.


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  1. Black2023

    Black2023 Guest

    Read carefully.

    Boxing is fragmented, the divisions are too many and we have 4 legit organisations in each weight class with each belt as bad as the other. Looking at the rankings, there are certain fighters that would not be there if boxing was properly structured. What would be the reaction of the hardcore (you guys) and the casual fan if a fighter who was good enough, literally tore the rankings into shreds, by fighting everyone on there in quick time.

    A case study of Vitali Klitshcko, adominant champ for the last 4 years and in general does not take punishment in fights. A TV deal with RTL, giving him good money and allowing himself to be shown in a big German market and paying opponents, if North America or Britain (big markets) etc wants to watch him they can pay for the rights or not. It doesn’t matter we know he is popular in Germany and has a deal in place. What would be the reaction if Vitali took on the following opposition over the next 12 months, forget his talk of retirement, forget long training camps as they could easily be substituted for 3-4 weeks rather than 8-12 weeks with less rest time in between, just think what your reaction would be if he did take on the opponents I suggested. Again, I want to know what the reaction would be if this did take place, not it wouldn’t happen.

    As far as im aware, a champion of the WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF must fight someone ranked in the top 15? Please correct me if im wrong. Therefore looking at the rankings, I can’t help but use Vitali as an example, he holds the WBC Belt.

    WBC- All these men are ranked in the top 15 as of Decemeber 2011. All records are current, so over a year, guys fighting Vitali might have 1 or 2 more wins on there records.

    Jan E. Molina 18-1 6’5 229 (Ranked 10th)
    Mar C. Arreola 34-2 6’4 235 (Ranked 1st)
    May F. Lawrence 17-2-2 6’3 234 (Ranked 13th)
    Jul A. Dimtrenko 32-1 6’7 250 (Ranked 2nd)
    Sep B. Stiverne 21-1-1 6’2 238 (Ranked 3rd)
    Oct D. Rodriquez 35-0 6’4 250 (Ranked 15th)
    Dec M. Wach 26-0 6’7 ½ 248 (Ranked 9th)

    Of course I took into account the fact that not every top fighter ranked in the WBC would take on Vitali so soon, guys like Helenius, Fury, Ortiz, Boystov want to win titles and are perhaps waiting for Vitali to retire also perhaps Klitshcko camp would take easier fights after a tougher oppoenent, so i took this into account.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think he'd be deserving of a great deal of credit for his activity, as a champion defending so regulary is non-existant these days. Some of the men on that list are respected fighters, while others not so much.. What it would do for his overall legacy, I haven't a clue.
     
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  3. JN43

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    Quitali should worry about the Hayemaker first.
     
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  4. Black2023

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    My thoughts echo that...I think you and one other poster are the only ones who have read the post lol. I said read carefully go and look in the lounge and UK forum people making jokes, but dont get it.


    Id be disappointed in the level of certain fighters, but id be impressed with the activity rate.
     
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  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Joe Louis was also well known early in his career for sporting a large volune of defenses in a single years, against contenders who ranged anywhere from average to fairly decent. It might do something for Vitali's legacy.
     
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  6. Honor

    Honor Bóg i Ojczyzna Full Member

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    I don't think he could. First off hes not really that young anymore and he said it himself that 1 or 2 more fights than its retirement.... And secondly, he has a life outside the ring. Hes not like James Toney or Joe Louis who fought constantly month after month.... These guys did this cause they literally had nothing else to do. Vitali is a well known political and ambassador for Ukraine, he has other plans in his mind other than boxing.
     
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  7. Black2023

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    Maggo post on the lounge and UK, read what Ive said and other posters....its interesting.


    J. Louis did do this, alot of people are saying it would add nothing to the legacy.
     
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  8. Black2023

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    Thanks for your response, but the question would be what would your reaction be if this did happen.
     
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  9. shimmy

    shimmy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it did happen, it would be an amazing feat. Even prospects coming up barely touch 7 fights in a year anymore.
    But we all know this isn't going to happen as well.
     
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  10. bobotnaman

    bobotnaman ★★★★☆ Full Member

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    more fights in a year = more risk of losing.
     
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  11. Black2023

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    Yeah it would be amazing.
     
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  12. FAT_TONEY

    FAT_TONEY Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think his 40 year old body could endure such a schedule. It's a good thing that he stays quite active already, more than his lil bro.
    On a sidenote - most Vitali fights suck, why do you want to see more of them?
     
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  13. Robney

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    Would be a problem due to the following problems.


    1. Negotiation... it's not like contenders are waiting in line to get their shot these days, they want time to prepare, top dollar or don't want the fight at all!
    2. Vitali isn't a fighter that blows away his opponents. He dominates them but doesn't blow them away.
    3. Vitali is old, and needs to recover longer and more often. And although we can call this a "bum of the month" list by todays standards, it isn't remotely like what Louis fought for instance.
    Don't think it will work in today's boxing.
     
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  14. Black2023

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    Tyson fought 8 times in 20 months, top level fights-


    Took on B. Seldon IBF sept then 2 months later Holyfield.

    Vitali fought 3 times in 8 months
     
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  15. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd be impressed as hell. Arreola got his ass wooped the first fight but he's still a top 6-7 fighter IMO, and Wach is better than he gets credit for and Dimentrenko is probably his best choice outside of Haye and Povetkin. Stiverenne is pretty good but he needs a few more wins before I'd consider him anything more than a fringe contender. And ironically I think Franklin Lawrence, the guy Stiverene blew out in a round is closer to being a legit contender. Both are still decent opponents. Can't say much about the other two though.

    Still I think Edgar Sosa is the last guy to fight that often and he wasn't fighting anyone even near as good as Wach. If Vitali fought and beat those seven guys, especially by knockout it'd be a good year, again not as good as fighting three times and beating say Haye, Dimentrenko, and Povetkin, but still impressive.

    But as everyone else has said, it'll never happen. He's too old and he'd probably injure himself with the training.
     
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