If Vitali's not a P4P-er, break down your top 10 and compare their resume to his

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    P4P is a resume and performance based rankings, I think we can agree as much - Rigondeaux is top elite in skills, but without performances behind them, Pavlik wasn't the most skilled, but put on wins to get there - it's who you beat titles included, and how.

    On the how, Vitali is the only fighter today who lost less than 6 rounds in the past decade (incl. Lewis fight, stopped on cuts, ahead), he also stopped all but 2 of his last 10 opponents. The quality of the performances is A+, and he did face the best the HW and CW division had to offer (bro excluded) as good or bad as they were, that's the who.


    Now, whether you think he's P4P top10 or not is up to you, but when I'm done breaking down the who, pls share the names (with performances) you think are deservedly ranked ahead of Vitali Klitschko!


    - Johnson (top5 HW, top ranked WBC contender), Sanders (no2 HW, WBO champ, coming off WK win. For The Ring & WBC titles), Williams (B-level HW, top15) - these are the fighters VK faced before the injury retirement, and all I ask is if your P4P ranking regarding Floyd's return over LW champ JMM included his pre-retirement performances, include VK's as well, it's only fair

    - Peter, (no2 HW, WBC champ) off 4 years, VK picked up where he left off delivering the most memorable comeback performance of recent times, beating the highest ranked guy not named Klitschko

    - JC Gomez, (top5 HW, no1 contender) former no1 CW champion, elite skills but lazy ass training regimen wasting best years, VK beat the crap out of the faded version who still possessed speed, power and a difficult style

    - Arreola (unbeaten top5 contender) the highest ranked American HW at the time, huge power, moderate skills, overweight - VK beat the tears out of him

    - Johnson (unbeaten top15 contender), Sosnowski (European champion, top15 contender), Briggs (former World HW Champion, over the hill) VK went trough these B-level contenders winning all rounds, barely taking a sweat, not much to count P4P-wise

    - Solis (unbeaten top5 HW, no1 contender, 2-time am. World Champion, Olympic Gold Medallist), VK KO'd the Cuban with a temple shot in 1 (Salgado-Linares style), Solis also hurt knees, counted out

    - Adamek (borderline P4P-er, f. LHW, World CW Champion, unbeaten both at 200 & 200+), Vitali beat the crap out of him

    Vitali beat 7 fighters with an unbeaten record or 1 loss, 5 reigning or former world champions, and lost all but maybe 3 rounds lout of 100. These are the guys the division(s) had to offer, he obviously never faced his brother, but faced the rest who were willing.



    So with VK's wins broken down, who are the names and their performances you'd rank ahead of VK in a P4P list?
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Chris John: JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ, Rocky Juarez x2, Yordan, Sorkitti.
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sup' B? What's with posting stills when I'm not around? Chris John, k, that's one name. Do you have him ahead of VK? Also, who did u have winning in the JMM fight? John is also underrated.
     
  4. AnthonyW

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    Prince Naseem Hamed, back then, and even now (currently weighs more :deal) is ahead Vitali in the P4P rankings. Anyone who disagrees knows **** all about anything...ever.
     
  5. Blake Rayne

    Blake Rayne Fat Cuban Aficianado Full Member

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    don't bother big bone. Looking pretty while throwing pillows with short arms against men the size of ballerina's is sooo much more impressive than anything a heavy can currently do.
     
  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kavin Johnson is an abysmal, boring "fighter" who didn't turn up to fight. Sam Peter is fat and hugely overrated. Gomez was a good cruiserweight. Arreola was fat and has awful skills. Solis won the first round before he got injured. Adamek has no business at heavyweight.

    Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Hopkins, Dawson, Donaire, Froch, Khan, Ward, Kessler, Bradley, Martinez, Guerrero, Gamboa, Cunningham, Nishioka, Rios, John, Gonzalez, Segura...and more, all deserve to be ranked ahead of Vitali.

    I'm not breaking it down. I will say though, that the fact Vitali has such an impressive record despite his lack of skill, is a reflection on the opposition he has faced. He isn't worthy of being P4P and his opposition, regardless of their inflated records, are not elite fighters. Every fighter I listed above, has beaten someone impressive. Vitali hasn't.
     
  7. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    10 names. With better resume and performances. That's all I ask.
     
  8. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I gave you 20.

    I'm not going through each guys best wins though, purely because I don't think it's necessary. If I rated any of Vitali's wins, then I'd do that but I simply don't. He's an overrated fighter with a hugely overrated record, comprised of fat guys and people who didn't want to fight.
     
  9. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Under what logic can Cunningham by ranked higher than Vitali?
     
  10. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vitali IS top ten p4p. Any list without him is fraudulent.
     
  11. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's a better fighter, who has beaten better fighters.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The best fighter Cunningham has ever faced is...


    Adamek
     
  13. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    :yep
    hard to argue with that....
     
  14. zabs

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    P4P is meant to be about skills. Apart from being a big lump i would say VK doesn' have much boxing skills. Fair enough he is accomplished and if we were being fair he is an all time heavyweight great but he doesn't make top 10 p4p in this era or any era.
     
  15. Jack

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    I think Huck and Adamek are about even. That'd be a good fight if Adamek ever dropped down.

    I know what you're getting at but the fact is, Adamek is a cruiserweight. He isn't even close to being as good at heavyweight, so it's not fair to compare Adamek beating Cunningham, to Vitali beating Adamek. It might mean that Vitali would beat Cunningham but it doesn't make a difference P4P.