If Ward/Froch Fight in Cali or Nottingham?

I was at the LA fight. Between the huge Armenian turnout and the SoCal vs. NoCal rivalry, it felt more like a nuetral venue than anything.

The undercard had a ton of SoCal Hispanic fighters (Arreola, Estrada, Quezada) who seemed to have brought more fans than Ward. They mostly cheered for him during the main event, but AA's crew was loud and visible.

Well, until they started filing out around the 10th round as Ward was beating that ass.

 

A/C is a pretty good choice. MSG would have been better IMO.

 

firstly, he's still an american fighting in america, thats goin to influence the judges.

secondly, being in a foreign country puts you on edge, no matter what language they speak. nottigham is still a very different place to ac than oakland is..

thirdly, the food is better? that must be why americans have such a problem with obesity, all that nice, healthy food they eat....great for preparing for a boxing match. i'm sure he'l love it.

 

:rofl :thumbsup exactly! Hurrr the ref let him do whatever he wanted/the judges were biased/hurr durr durr

 

Thanks, that's how I figured it would be though since I wasn't there I couldn't exactly confirm.

 

Probably has to do with the difference in cut that NJ/AC ask for compared to NY/NYC though

 

you sound so intelligent when you speak make considered points like that!

i'm not really bothered who wins, i just think you must be stupid to fail to realise a home fighter fighting in his home country is at an advantage...

 

5 posts? Nice alt

 

nice argument mate...


i havnt got time right now to go over all the intelligent, insighful points you've made right there...

 

I'm pretty sure there will be international judges. Given that Ward won't have much in the way of crowd support, I don't think the judges will influenced by any pro Ward crowd support. I don't see a good reason why the judges can't be partial here.

Have you ever been to either Oakland or A.C? You'd be surprised diverse this country is. You can go to different neighorhoods in either Cali or Jersey and feel like you're in a different country. Furthermore, Froch just fought his last fight in A.C and performed fine.

The U.K is not far behind the U.S in terms of obesity rates. We're getting off topic though. The point I was making is that Froch can get pretty much any type of food he wants here. You mentioned the food as a disadvantage to Froch and I don't see how that's the case.

 

The fight will be in L.A. Froch will fly 6 thousand miles, Ward will bicycle down for the weigh-in.

 

Well, look at the results of the tournament so far. When Dirrell travelled, he got beat. When Kessler travelled, he got beat. When Abraham travelled, he got beat. When Taylor travelled, he got beat. There has not been a single home town fighter who has lost in this entire tournament and that isn't a pure coincidence. Judges are likely to be swayed and the referee is likely to be swayed by hometown crowds. There has been a clear advantage to the hometown fighter in this competition and any denial of that is crazy.

People have mentioned this idea that fighting in one part America, thousands of miles away from your home town, is somehow different to fighting in a different part of the UK. However, look at the percentage of patriots in America. There is a much higher percentage of patriotism in America, so if Froch would be favoured by bias in Nottingham and Ward would be favoured by bias in Oakland, the chances of national bias are more in Ward's favour. American's are more patriotic than British people, so Ward is more likely to get support in a different part of America than Froch is in a different part of Britain. On the flip side, Ward's fans would have a harder time getting to Atlantic City than Froch's fans would to get to London, yes, but a plane ticket from Oakland to Atlantic City would actually be cheaper than a train ticket from Nottingham to London, which sounds extreme but it's true. For the cost of fuel in a car, it's probably similar to what Americans would pay to fly from east to west.

Aside from that, there's the whole strain of Froch living in a hotel for weeks, training away from his usual gym, being made to use American sparring partners rather than familiar British ones, the food, acclimatisation and so on. Even if these things seem insignificant when you single them out, combined, they are pretty big for an overseas fighter.

 

i think judges are nearly always slightly in favour of the home fighter, no matter the support.

i think your underestimating how diverse the rest of the world is! nottingham is still in a different country to anywhere in america and it feels like it!

yea, he probably will be able to get the food he wants, but it wouldnt be quite as easy as it would be in britain, and it will be something he thinks about, creating a small stress. like i said its not much and america is more similar to brtiain in many ways, but any small advantage can help in a close fight.

 

That's nothing but anecdotal evidence at best. And it's a pretty flimsy argument. There hasn't been a single controversial decision in any of the fights that have taken place in America. And if Ward is the hometown fighter here, than Johnson was the hometown fighter against Froch. Who won that fight?

The problem is, you don't seem to understand this country works. Ward is not a national star. A.C is a more than a 7 hour plane ride from Oakland. Ward will not have much crowd support. I can give you countless examples of foreign fighters getting more crowd support in this country than their American counterparts. The most vivid example of this was Hatton getting more crowd support than Mayweather despite the fight taking place within a 10 minute drive of Mayweather's house.

This is some **** that you straight made up. You have nothing to qulify this with.

The logic used here is tremendously faulty.

Please, just stop with the nonsense. Do you not remeber British taking over the weigh in for the Haye/Klit fight? During the fight, they were the loudest ones there. So now I'm to believe that Brits willl travel all over Europe and to America to support their guys, but they won't travel within the U.K to support them? Your argument here is filled with holes.

You must either think I'm stupid or you're completely clueless. A roundrtip train ride from Notthingham to London is under $100 USD(I looked it up and it was priced at $78USD). A roundtrip flight from Oakland to Philadelphia(The closest major airport to A.C) is over $560 USD before tax and fees.

I'm not even going to bother looking this up. You're probably wrong.

Froch is facing a 14 hr. flight compared to 7 hrs. for Ward. They both will probably arrive in A.C around the same time. He will not be in A.C for weeks. They both will spend the same amout of time away from their usual gym. He can also easily bring his chief sparring partner over. There won't be that much hard sparring that close to the fight anyway. The rest of the stuff you mentioned is beyond petty. Froch just fought his last fight in A.C and has expressed no issues with fighting in the States. Meanwhile he threatened to pull out of the fight if he had to fight Abraham in Germany.

 

You're clearly reaching here. You're claiming that the judges will be biased towards Ward for no other reason than him being American and you're suggesting that the "stress" Froch will be undergoing trying to get food he likes could possibly make a difference in this fight. Just stop for a minute and think about what you're saying.