If Wilder and AJ and Fury all end up fighting each other at least once....

I think Wilder will be best remembered, mostly because he's definitely contending with Shavers as greatest heavy puncher of all time. People love punchers and knockouts.

Joshua will remembered probably because of his flexibility...he can box and punch, but perhaps moreso because he really does look like a bodybuilder who just happened to win the title. Or not lol. Trying to be silly.

I believe Fury will be remembered as one of those champs who kind of lost credibility for the lineal title. Fury isn't exactly a great boxer and certainly no great puncher. He seems to me to win a whole lot of fights based on his vertical and horizontal length. Fighters have trouble landing on such a long body, and Fury seems to be capable enough to get his kind-of slappy punches in consistently enough. He does have very good foot movement (not just for a man his size) as well. I guess...to me the only striking thing about Fury is the way he uses his bodily advantages, not any boxing skill per se. And I find him boring. I found myself wishing Wilder would have finished knocking the crap out of the in their fight, and actually scored it for Wilder by two points. Fury will be the least remembered imo, and I don't see him holding the title too much longer (or maybe that's just biased, wishful thinking lol. No offense to Fury's fans).

 

I have him at 4, hence my reason for including him in the proposed round robin in the first place.

 

he is a one hit wonder in the context of he aint beating AJ again

 

You're going around in circles, lad.

You're back where you started.

 

”But it's too early to write Ruiz off as a one-hit wonder.”

So what did you mean to say by the above statement of yours

 

Ruiz has to work his way back up.and redeem himself. He disrespected the sport and the fans.

Its not that he lost. It's that he couldn't care to train properly for the fight. It showed.

He is a talented guy. If he has the will and the discipline he can still make some noise at HW but until he proves it, it's hard to rate him right now.

 

I mean exactly what I said.

Andy is 1-1 with the guy I ranked best in the world a year ago.

In fight I, according to you, AJ wasn't himself.

He actually was. He was in his prime and well trained.

On the night of the first fight, after he lost, I wrote:

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I was correct in that in the rematch he fought the fight I said he should. And he won.




Andy was not himself in the second fight. He did 't train properly.

He had just earned more money for one fight than his entire previous career.

And still, he kept AJ nervous throughout, unwilling to engage. And that was wise, IMO.


As I said, I would pick AJ to win the rubber match, if it ever happens.

But I'd like to see how Andy would do against the other two.
It's not a sure thing that either of them could do what AJ did.
The gameplan was sound but It takes skill, footwork and stamina to execute it.

That's why I'd like to see a round robin of four.

 

No.
I know many now (in hindsight) pretend or act like they always counted Ruiz among the shortlist top heavyweights.
But no one did.
No one.
Not many people knew much about him frankly.

 

Ruiz showed contempt for his opponent and the sport. He discredited himself and is in the same position Douglas was post-Holyfield. Fury has had issues too, but he has never been outclassed in the ring.

If Ruiz wants inclusion among the top three, he needs to establish that he wants to be a professional athlete and the way to do that is to show up in shape and get a decent win.

 

Three top guys finally round-robinned one another? Best.Era.Ever!!

 

This statement contains no truth whatsoever.
It is patently false.

Regardless of whether one ranks Andy at 3, 4 ,10 or even 25 among todays' heavyweights, he was DEFINITELY ranked at number 1 by this forum's official ranking body, the TBRB.

He was also ranked at the top by RING.

And nearly half the posters on here predicted he would win his AJ rematch.



So it doesn't matter where you think he OUGHT to have been ranked last May, last November or now....

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....He WAS top ranked coming into AJ Ruiz (2)

 

What a uniquely built paradigm of fighters. You can even socially stratify them for a deeper study proving just how dynamically different they truly are yet are paid well for doing what is essentially the same job.

Assimilation of these three would provide the boxing world with the perfect vulnerable heavyweight specimen. Win, lose or draw, good, bad or indifferent the hybrid would transcend himself and the sport to literally all walks of humanity.

They should work on artificially inseminating a Mcall daughter with a mixture of the three baby batters, then sign the embryo to top rank now.

 

I'm not advocating having him in the top three.

I said top FOUR.

As mentioned, he's 1-1 in his last two outings, same as AJ, except Andy has never been stopped.

 

Yes, but obviously I meant if he wants to be included on the same tier as the top three. You seem to believe he should be, and I disagree.

He's 1-1 in his last two outings but has the worst loss of anyone in the group , and he was last spotted larding his way through a desultory 12-round decision defeat. He was outclassed and hapless, and in that condition he's no better than Parker (obviously), Whyte (another bloated carcass), Usyk or Ortiz. He might not even beat old man Povetkin or Hunter. Like I said, he needs to show that he wants to be a professional athlete and is willing to make the sacrifices required to be consistently competitive.

Ruiz let down everyone against Joshua and mostly himself.

 

I have to disagree.

AJ's stoppage loss was worse.

I don't think there would be much question about his inclusion if this discussion was taking place a couple of weeks ago.

And so I'm not going to exclude him on the basis of a single fight where he was defeated by a very cautious, even skittish AJ, who felt the need to avoid engagement at all costs and who took the full 36 minutes when he usually knocks his opponents out.

I would be very interested to see how a Ruiz/Wilder bout would go, and also how he would do against Fury.
His next fight will make his overall level a bit clearer.