If Wilder Boxes Like The Ortiz Bout Against Fury He Has Little Chance

Wilder fought Ortiz different because he knew Ortiz could hurt him with one shot. He stayed composed and fought a cautious fight. He got out worked, but did not get beat up for 6 rounds.......big difference. He will fight Fury different, don't know if he'll win, but he won't keep his gloves holstered like he did with Ortiz.

 

Great thing about Wilder is he always has a fair chance even when he is getting his ass kicked.

That’s entertaining. That’s why we talking.

 

The thing is, Wilder always has a little chance against the good boxers like Ortiz and Fury. Its as he says, they gotta be perfect for 12 rounds, hes only gotta be perfect for 2 seconds. His chance is as little as 2 seconds against these clearly better boxers. Considering that, you have to admit the champ does pretty well.

 

Wilder will always have a chance against Fury. Fury needs to be perfect for 36 min. Wilder just needs a 2-3 second opportunity. Don't think Fury has the concentration or fitness levels to keep the moving, legs, elusiveness going for the full 36 minutes. He will have to take punches from Wilder and to be fair to him, he did take punches from Wilder in the first fight and got back up and not only survived Wilders attempts to finish him but fought back to finish the rest of the round.

50-50 fight for me. Wilder is the one who would have learnt the most from the first fight and knows what to expect from Fury. In the rematch I expect him to be more patient, maybe go to the body more.

Don't see what Fury can do much differently in the rematch unless he decides to be more aggressive but my biggest worry is the fact he doesn't punch hard which makes the strategy of being aggressive pointless unless he can get the job done with an accumulation of punches

 

I kind of like the idea of Fury training to imitate Wilder and we get 2 Wilders in the ring only trying to land a good 1-2 combo.

 

I agree that Wilder has great power but Klitschko only had to only be perfect for 2 seconds too in that sense and Fury that faced Wilder last time wasn't half the man who licked Klit

I think Peter Fury said it best "You can't hit what isn't there"

 

I don’t think Fury can replicate that performance practically 5 years on, especially with his self abuse, diet of bums, financial security and a boxing style that doesn’t age well

 

Wilder the fraud time is nearly up, a fully fit Fury schools this one trick pony..

 

I agree entirely. Fury has to really want it and at this moment in time and with how he is responding currently with the level of his two recent opponents, it could go either way. He may just be cashing out.

I could be wrong.

 

Rewatched 1/2 of the fight again, I'm convinced Wilder wasn't trying to do much offensively. In his fight with Fury he said he got too anxious, tried to force things.

Punchstats here seem kinda on, not sure though how they thought either guy landed 4,5 or 6 in a round, but the final suggests Wilder played a game of patience and actually threw when Ortiz did, problem was many were seen as pawing jabs.
I saw them as parying Ortiz' jab.
34-35 landed total.
Oh, such a slow fight. I think Ortiz post fight said it best: Wilder won't respect Fury. meaning he knows if he can take Ortiz punch and keep up right, he has options against Fury he didn't have with Ortiz.
Wrong move, Ortiz hurts him, wrong move with Fury he loses a round, nothing more. Let Fury think that was the best Wilder. Naw. That was him refusing to go in, where there were no real openings. Especially that Luis threw less than 30 a round. Fury does this, difference is, he may not have a flailing wailing WIlder, rather one who is trying to be economical, which was the Brown Bomber's Specialty.

Very economical with his punches, made them count. Deontay is no Joe for sure, but he took a page out of his book- throw when you can land a punch.

 

Finally someone brings this up!
With all respect for Ben Davison, but this greenhorn is no Freddie Roach or Peter Fury!

Fury should sack him now and get his uncle Peter back, it seems like he was for him what Kevin Rooney was for Mike Tyson.


Did u see all of Davisons interviews from the last weekend? Only some BS comments like "Ortiz is not Fury", "i saw flaws in Wilder, he is not the same anymore", blablabla

I cant confirm it 100%, but some interviewer said to Wilder: "Davison said Wallin would dominate Breazeale", and Wilder just laughed and said: "Well, we have some strange, deluded people in the sport, but i can live with that."

So Wilder insulted Davison in some way, but he s right and some sh... talking like that only will give him the confidence Furys team is deluded and fears him.

Wilder is mentally like Clubber Lang in Rocky 3 at the moment, and Fury is more like Rocky before the 1st match with Lang, he has no eye of the Tiger and is more busy with WWE, MMA and appearing on shows, selling his Bio, etc.
Fury dont get it at the moment that Wilder didnt believe he lost the 1st fight, he and all of his fans running around and say: "WILDER WON BY KO, FURY ONLY GOT SAVED BY A (WHITE RACIST) REFEREE", thats what they say and what they believe.
And this means Wilder wants to show the whole world that the first fight was just some kind of "hard luck" or "glitch" and he KO Fury any day at any time.
But Davison and Fury still believe Wilder got some "mental damge" from that fight because he knows he lost it.
No, he dont know that and he dont believe that, he is 100% certain he won.
Of course Wilder is in some way deluded himself when he runs around and says he KOed (not KDed but KOed) Fury and only Stiverne I was a fight over the distance. He himself says his record is 42 wins and 41 KOs, only Stiverne went the distance with him.
He igonres there is a blue

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behind the Fury fight on Boxrec, and most of the Boxing community around the world belives Fury won, not 116-110 but 114-112.

Those Gypsys are always so straight, direct and honest. Why the hack is Big John so quiet at the moment and make his son clear that he is NOT primary focused on Boxing at the moment?
I can see it from the outside without knowing any of them personally. They should put family problems to the side and bring Peter back, Davison can still be Co-Trainer and learn from Peter, but this 27 year old young, green and unexperienced man is not the right guy to bring Fury back at 247 lb / 17.6 stone / 112 kg, and he will need this speed and stamina against a prime Wilder!

Oh and even Wilders trainer gives so much credit to Davison and praises him. Why? Because he hopes he stays Furys trainer so it is easier for them to beat Fury, simply because of Davisons obvious mistakes. He simply can not CONTROL Fury in any way, he is just his good buddy.
Yes, he maybe saved him from sucicde, which is an amazing archivement!
But this does not mean he is the best/right trainer for Fury, but the Gypsy King himself seems unable to realize this.

Maybe the 2 years of drug abuse was too much and he simply can not get in his best shape anymore, but if he can he only can do it with Peter, not with Davison.

 

I would say they were both not the best versions of themselfs. But Wilder at least was active the whole time and didnt abuse his body.

And about Ortiz statement: He is wrong by saying Wilder can walk through Fury because he has no respect for him. Any time Fury was going forward and punched Wilder, Wilder was going backwards and didnt counter. Andy Lee once stated Wilder was KDs by Wlad Klitschko several times in Sparring, and his chin is a little bit above average but not great. Someone with a really great chin (Chuvalo, McCall, Mercer, Tua, Ibeabuchi, etc.) can walk through Fury´s punches but Wilder cant, we saw that in the first fight.
In the 12th round Wilder looked to me indeed wabbly in one moment when Fury countered him, he was holding and his legs were shaky. Fury is not a great puncher, but also not some wadding thrower like Chris Byrd was.

 

Just bring at least 2 PBC judges and there will be no issue for Wilder against Fury.

 

Fury will beat him. He'll outbox him handily, just like the first time.

This time I don't see Wilder landing. It'll be like Fury - Chisora 2 after the relatively close first fight.