If Wilder fights and loses to Ortiz

Wilder is favorite with the bookies, he's supposed to win...
The question is how much credit he should receive?

 

If Ortiz beats beats Wilder despite being a non smoker I shall be lighting up a nice big Cuban cigar.

 

Wilder has lowered the standards so much now we're supposed to give him extra credit for having a decent voluntary? LOL
Ortiz is a top contender, not even a belt holder. Wilder is a champion, he's SUPPOSED to fight guys like this.
I actually expected him to unify with Joshua or Parker after his last farce. Ortiz fight is the least he could do.

 

any news of the purses for the 2 fighters wilder and ortiz

if wilder is getting 1 million and ortiz 200 then again i find it a strange choice

ortiz has got no choice he has to fight what he is given he is not a draw / but wilder should not have taken the fight for less than he would have got v whyte £ 3 million plus /given he will have joshua next up for 8 million to 10 million minumum.

 

I think some of the comments regarding Wilder are a little harsh, though kind of justified.

He should have pushed himself to be more ambitious sooner. I think he chose the Ortiz fight to get some respect as it makes no financial sense. As Sean said I think Wilder pushed Haymon into this. Why would Haymon sign Ortiz? He's as old as hell and a total non draw. I suspect Wilder has been putting pressure on Haymon, maybe his contract with him is coming to an end soon.

I see Wilder like Calzaghe through much of his career. Lacked real ambition was just happy for the easy payday and Haymon suited him in that regard. But then Joshua appeared on the scene who was suddenly getting all this attention and praise, unlike Wlad who was derided by many, plus Joshua suddenly offered the kind of payday that Wlad never could. That lit the fire of ambition into Wilder.

We've seen Wilder do more promotional work in recent months than every before. Him and his GF are about to be on a reality TV show in the US, he's stepping up his comp. Hearn asked him to up his profile and marketability and I think he's doing that. If he can get US PPV interest then the money for this fight could be crazy and his demand of 50/50 won't look so crazy. I think this is Wilder's plan, he just needs to keep winning.

 

If the Wilder / Ortiz fight actually ever happens I'll tip my hat to Wilder for FINALLY fighting a live body. While I don't think Ortiz is a top level threat he's a very credible threat. If Wilder beats him, he's beaten the best guy on his resume. Here's to hoping grandpa Ortiz has enough left in the tank to show us what he's truly capable of.

 

Part of me wonders if he's finally come around to fighting a credible opponent because he's sensed that he's nearing the point of no return regarding fans taking him seriously. It has been easy for him to call himself the best in the world, because although it's not true, it hasn't actually been disproven. Nobody has beaten him, and he has a belt to hide behind. But the longer he's made these claims without backing them up, the more ridicule he's attracted. There must be a point when, champion or not, your stock drops so low that people just don't care any more. He was cruising towards irrelevance.

Struggling for big purses must also hurt a man with such a big ego. I feel like perhaps a light has gone on in his head - "Maybe I do need to step up now, or else I'll lose my chance forever". A gamble, for sure, but if he leaves it much longer he'll have nothing to lose anyway.

Anything other than a convincing win over Ortiz will be a failure. This is his chance to finally back up his words with action. If he loses, then nobody will care about him any more. If he gets a slim decision, his stock will barely twitch. This is about him showing his worth to a heavyweight division that is in danger of shutting him out. AJ and Parker have shown willingness to take risks in the name of success. They are reaping that now. Fans appreciate that. They both also clearly belong in the top 3 right now. We simply don't know how good Wilder is yet - if he doesn't win big against Ortiz, then all he does is cement his place in the rank below. After all the talk, the ducking, the bragging, such an anticlimax might prove to be the last straw.

 

Wilder will destroy Ortiz. Good fight as will make the public demand the AJ fight

 

I will be very surprised if Wilder loses this. I don't think he's a very good heavyweight but he's just way younger and has so much better stamina than plodding Ortiz. He should get an easy UD 12.

 

You're joking right? He's been a pro for almost 10 years with 40 fights!!! He's been a belt holder for 3 years. The time to unify is now.
Just how low are your standards for Wilder? No wonder you're impressed he's taking this fight...

I'm not hating, this is a good voluntary for him, he will get my credit when he wins, just a good solid win, nothing more.
I'm picking him to win by the way.

 

Precisely.