If Wilder gets to 40-0, that'll put him #3 all-time behind Holmes (48-0) and Rocky (49-0)

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    There's some truth to this for sure. Obscure talents are definitely more likely to get attention and thus big fights now than before. But a lot of the same problems still plague them(Good backing, ducked because risk/reward etc.)

    Although it's somewhat funny because Wlad still moved up faster than Wilder did.
     
  2. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wilder did that on purpose BC of the Klitchos..BOTH threat....he lucked out BC he spared with Wlad and knew his limits....

    He also grew confident BC Joshua took care of Wlad.....

    Joshua is going to smash Wilder I will bet anything on it..IF he gets by Ortiz but Wilder gets his huge payday..TWICE.
     
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  3. Hope4Better

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    i suppose now is a good time to say ortiz looks like riddick bowe, larry holmes, and george foreman had a kid. but, i think that actually...he may be older than all 3 !
     
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  4. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Good points.

    EXCEPT age.....:scared1
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad Klitschko was an Olympic Gold Medalist who got a TV deal when he turned pro.

    He was much more experienced than Wilder - a 100 more wins - when he turned pro.

    Still, he got knocked out by Ross Puritty. After the Byrd fight, he defended against the usual suspects in Botha and Shufford and Jefferson and the like. Then he got wasted by Corrie Sanders, who was supposed to be a soft touch, in Wlad's 42nd fight.

    Wilder's record isn't much different than Wlad's by this point, except Wilder didn't get knocked out by freaking Ross Puritty. And Deontay would never lose to a Corrie Sanders.
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad was an Olympic Gold Medalist with a TV deal and a 100 more amateur wins - 130 to Wilder's 30.

    And Wlad didn't move up that much faster. He got knocked out by Puritty and Sanders and Brewster, who weren't exactly the cream of the crop, and nearly stopped by Davaryll Williamson.
     
  8. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this doublechin guy is a f'n revisionist idiot...
     
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  9. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Do I need to go over this again like with your comparison to Foreman? Compare the time span in which Wlad reached the same number of fights. Contrary to what you believe. THAT MATTERS.

    Wilders handlers steered him clear of guys like Puritty. They wouldn't put him in with guys like Sanders and Brewster either, not unless a lot of money was at stake. False. He wasn't that badly hurt against Williamson. It wasn't a heavy knockdown. Maybe you should go back and watch the fight... But since you want to use that against Wlad, why not the knockdown to Sconiers that Wilder suffered?
     
  10. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you aware how stupid you sound? Sanders, Williamson, or even Brewster would have been the best guys Wilder. Amatuer record and a TV deal now make some difference? You're too all over the place with your silly attempts and logic.
     
  11. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Klitchko did not have a southpaw sparring partner he was also in his early 20's....

    You are TRYING to use biased points...

    I've covered why Klitchko lost many times on here....

    Wilder KNEW he needed more development... He struggled with Szpilka at about 225 didn't he?

    Szpilka does not defeat a prepared Sanders....

    Wilder's record is different BC he carefully mapped it out.

    Im not sure what your suggesting but amateur wins have no meaning to pro...they help but let's not keep making excuses for Wilder.
     
  12. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never thought of it like that. I guess it creates situations where the fighters cannot ignore the fans. Bowe didn't want that fight with Lennox, and I don't blame him. I think Lennox style with the right would stop Bowe..Would have been interesting to see even Hagler v. Hearns in 1985 on twitter.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    I never once claimed they were "alike". Did I?

    But it still illustrates the point that statistics can be misleading. And make no mistake, I'm no big detractor of Wilder. I agreed with a lot of the things you were saying when people were inexplicably blaming Wilder when the first Povetkin fight was called off.

    But the greater point (and yes, there is a greater point, despite your denials of such) still stands - Wilder's unblemished record isn't all that meaningful in the grand scheme of things until he steps up his level of opposition, and begins consistently facing better competition than he has to date.

    :smoking:
     
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  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So 100 more wins as an amateur and a network TV deal don't impact how quickly you are moved?

    Did you just start following boxing today?

    Yeah, and maybe someday Wilder will fight a Ross Puritty or a Brewster and get knocked out ... and you'll then have a change of heart about him? (LOL)

    Is this your first day here?

    You seem to know absolutely nothing about the sport of boxing.
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, that's why Lomachenko turned pro and fought for a world title in his second pro fight. Amateur experience means nothing.

    And Wilder's record isn't carefully mapped out.

    If it was mapped out, he wouldn't have turned pro at 5 p.m. in Nashville five hours before the main event.

    And then fought a few weeks later in Columbus, Mississippi, buried on an undercard with no main event.

    And then fought in Cincinnati a couple weeks later off TV again buried on the undercard.

    The guy started at ZERO.

    There was no fanfare. There was no TV. He was in the sticks fighting nobodies for next to nothing.

    Guys like Wlad turned pro on national television broadcasts. Universum had a plan for him. He was on constantly.

    Wilder was an afterthought for the first four years of his career. He came up the hard way from nowhere, like Larry Holmes.