If Wilder had fought the guys Joshua has, what would his record be?

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  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder’s career would implode. Joshua was moved much faster than the can crusher could of handled. Wilder of now is not Wilder of his first 30 fights, not that he improved all that much but guys Joshua was fighting early would of picked the sloppy Wilder off. As far as big stage fights go - Wilder would of been crushed by Wlad and Povetkin. And probably picked up another loss as well.
     
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  2. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    40 year old Wlad would've KO'd Wilder.
     
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  3. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Loses to Whyte, Klitschko and Povetkin

    Undecided on Parker

    There's a reason why Wilder's been protected and coddled for so long. You guys think if Fury didn't have massive issues as of late that Wilder would be anywhere near him? Short memories.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    How does Donkey do against some of the studs AJ fought in the unpaid ranks

    Cammarelle x 2 who is an Olympic gold, silver, and bronze medalist, a 2 x world amateur gold medalist + 2 x bronze, and a 3 x European solver medalist

    Magomedrasul Medzhidov 3 x world amateur championships gold medalist, Olympic bronze, European gold medalist

    Erislandy Savon world amateur championships gold and silver medalist, Olympic bronze

    Ivan Dychko world amateur silver medalist x 2 + 1 x bronze, 2 x Olympic bronze, world junior amateur silver

    Zhang Zhilei Olympic silver medalist, world amateur championships bronze x 2

    Mihai Nistor APB champion

    Erik Pfeifer 2 x world amateur championships bronze

    Sergey Kuzmin European gold and silver medalist

    Granted they fought at SHWs (Savon's subsequently moved down to HW) but I mean a SHW Donkey with an additional 15-20lbs in weight.
     
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  5. MrTombourineMan

    MrTombourineMan Торрейра хорошо. Full Member

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    Wlad ices him in hilarious fashion. He probably beats the rest, but has hairy moments against Povetkin, Parker and Whyte.
     
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  6. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Wlad is the only one that's questionable...I don't know how that fight would have gone, Wlad was a great champion but also significantly diminished so who knows what happens. Out of respect I would have given Wlad the edge, outside of that, meh...
     
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  7. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Defeats them all but Klitchko.

    However he wouldn't be the killer everyone makes him out to be, style wise he struggles more with Povetkin then Ortiz type fighter and he was saved by the bell so?? That's arguably a toss up if Povetkin is on point.

    Guys like Whyte, Breazeale and Parker make him look bad and not in control of the fight., worse then Washington bc those guys can punch and are more aggressive.

    The truth is many guys Joshua is fighting and will fight are more on wilders level then who wilder fought himself.

    I think Wilder will lose to fury and I think Joshua would bully fury for 12 rounds if he doesn't knock him out, thats a good indication of the difference between the two, even if wilder ends up defeating fury he is not Joshua and does not have control per round ability like that.
     
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  8. Big Dosser

    Big Dosser New Member banned Full Member

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    So by your evidence Chisora must be one of the biggest punchers in the division being that he stopped Malik Scott and Ortiz didn't. Or how he stopped Takam he must hit harder than Joshua... But wait does he? Joshua stopped Whyte and Del Boy didn't.

    Dave Allen himself has said Ortiz does not hit any harder than Whyte. Allen did a 12 week camp at the Ingle gym for Whyte and was in the best condition of his career. He was 2 stone heavier for Ortiz and did a 10 day camp in his own garage. Allen was still perfectly able to continue in the Ortiz fight too but was an early stoppage. Only thing that was bugging him was he bit his own tounge.

    And if you think Parker had Joshua on ***** street then what is your guide dog called.

    Joshua deals with Ortiz as comparatively easily he did Molina compared to Wilder
     
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  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Love Wladimir but I think starting with the Jennings fight, Wladimir was highly beatable. Way too gun shy.

    Povetkin would be the toughest for Wilder as I suspect his jaw would have eaten a lot of power shots.

    Wladimir, Povetkin, and Parker really the only ones who you can pick without looking a little odd. I think Parker fought even with Joshua but I think he matches up poorly to Wilder.
     
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  10. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I think Povetkin also has a chance.
     
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  11. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    based on what? his overrated win over Jennings? yeah nah.
     
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  12. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you just compared Whyte and Parker to Cojanu and Allen. Your bias is well known and it clearly heavily influences your opinions.
     
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  13. Big Dosser

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    He wouldn't do very well because there wouldn't be a WBC for Big gay Al Haymon to protect him from Whyte
     
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  14. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    only Wlad and Tekin he rest he beats
     
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  15. Big Dosser

    Big Dosser New Member banned Full Member

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    If AJ had fought Wilders opposition his upcoming opponent in his 23rd fight would be Owen Beck, 38 years old and on a run of 7 consecutive KO defeats. He'd still be 5 fights off the mighty Audley Harrison and 10 off the mighty Jason Gavern.

    Joshua, would be an absolute laughing stock and wouldn't have a single fan in the UK.

    To compare, Anthony Yarde who only had 12 amateur fights, thus far has had only 17 pro fights is ridiculed in the UK for not fighting better opponents. And put this into perspective Yardes worst opponent after 17 fights is probably better than Wilders best opponent after 17 fights.

    Must say though find it quite bizarre how people can think a guy who gets dropped by the likes of Sconiers, hurt by the likes of Molina, drops a load of rounds to the likes of Washington and Szpilka is a nailed on certainty to KO all of Klitschko, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Takam, Breazeale and whether Joshua could beat a 49 year old, off the gear for probably the first time since his amateur days and was in serious danger of being pulled out of the fight on the night is "the biggest question"
     
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