If Wilder had fought the guys Joshua has, what would his record be?

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  1. Big Dosser

    Big Dosser New Member banned Full Member

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    There is plenty of evidence to suggest he struggles with Whyte I.e.

    - Wilder was floored and badly hurt by career loser Harold Sconiers
    - Wilder struggled and was checked into ***** street with an actual domestic level guy in Eric Molina. Who gave AJ bigger problems in Whyte and Molina?
    - He lost every round to actual limited domestic level fighter in Gerald Washington
    - He was made to look a **** by Szpilka
    - He was all over the place against a 50 year old on his death bed last fight

    And if you think Whyte is domestic level I dread to think what you think of Wilders opposition to date
     
  2. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    He loses to Wlad and likely has close battles with Parker, Whyte, Takam and Povetkin. I think the wear and tear is more likely to do him in than any one opponent though.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he's made to fight them at the same rate Joshua did he'd be a journeymen now.

    Joshua fought Kevin Johnson in his 13th fight, Wilder in his 13th fight was being dropped heavily by Sconiers. He might not have beaten Johnson back then.

    2 fights later Joshua beat Whyte, so again Wilder to raw back then probably get's KO'ed.

    Breazeale was Joshua's 17th fight, Breazeale now could be a tricky opponent back then it's a 50/50 fight.

    Even Molina in his 18th fight might be good enough to beat him back then. Molina did rock a more mature experienced prime Wilder, a young, inexperienced one could come unstuck. Best scenario he gets up off the floor to win a decision.

    Wlad definitely KO's him in his 19th fight.

    Takam beats a young Wilder too.

    Parker probably beats him.

    Povetkin KO's him too.

    But in if Wilder put prime Wilder now vs all the versions Joshua fought then Wlad is the only one that definitely beats him. Povetkin I'd have as a 50/50 fight, like with the Ortiz fight he comes from behind to win as his power bails him out.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: Wilder Bodyguard Corporation
     
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  5. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    You're being very kind to Ortiz, he's most likely pushing 60 and was almost pronounced dead by NYSAC.

    Still Wilder managed to lose 7 rounds to him.
     
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  6. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Will @CST80 become a recluse when british fighters beat both Deontay and Ortiz? Nah you'll just make up a bunch of excuses to keep Team USA afloat haha :D

    Anyways, Wilder/Fury soon. The smile I will have if Wilder loses.... hahahaha I can't wait.
     
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  7. MeatFeastMan

    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Povetkin and Klitschko definitely destroy Wilder, particularly Povetkin with those crazy hooks. Povetkin within 4. Klitschko within 6.

    Parker and Whyte also have a good chance. They are similar to Povetkin but not as brutal or intelligent. Think those fights are 50-50's. Especially Parker who has good stamina and a good chin, if Stiverne can stay 12 rounds with him, then Parker certainly can.

    I do think though that he smashes Breazeale and Martin. Breazeale has the chin, but no aggression. We saw against Joshua he was clueless and was getting hit left, right and centre. As for Martin, even Deontay can outbox him.

    Definites - Povetkin, Klitschko
    Maybes - Parker, Whyte
     
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  8. Big Dosser

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    Bet he was one of those that was hyping Parker to trash both Joshua and Whyte. Now Parker will be under the bus with zero credit given to either Brit
     
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  9. Big Dosser

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    Personally think Takam is a distinct possibility too to defeat Wilder. Durable, aggressive, good engine. Think he'd give Wilder fits.
     
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  11. DoubleJ

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    While this is all true, AJ had a long amateur career while Wilder was more expected to learn on the job. The two took very different development paths.

    That said, once a man earns a belt he should face the best challengers. I'm not excusing Wilder's run of late, just putting his early bouts into proper context.
     
  12. DoubleJ

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    Wilder likely loses to Wlad. Deontay's feet are too wide to move away from the 1-2 and his hands are out too far to be of good use defensively.

    I can see him beating the rest far more often than not. He might pick up a decision loss somewhere along the way, but it is hard to say.
     
  13. Brighton bomber

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    AJ didn't have a long amateur career his record is only 40-3, while Wilder's is 30-5. So Joshua only had 8 more fights.

    Joshua started amateur boxing in 2007 but didn't have his first amateur fight in 2009. 3 years later he was at the Olympics.

    Wilder started amateur boxing in late 2005 and also went to the Olympics 3 years later in 2008.

    So both had short amateur careers and both fighters have learned on the job, the big difference is Joshua's rate of progress has been much faster.
     
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  14. DoubleJ

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    I saw the timeline but didn't look up the records. I figured AJ would have had many more bouts.

    AJ must have gotten a really good foundation before they put him in the ring.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fantastic informative post
     
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