If wilder has fought 4 nobodies defending his crown

Yes. Don King controlled the heavyweight division throughout most of the 1970s, 1980s and even the 1990s. He has a ton of experience.

But Don King rarely if ever negotiated rematch clauses into fights. He’d often demand promotional rights if the challenger won the title (and sometimes he got them and sometimes he didn't), but rematch clauses weren’t something he was big on.

For example, name all the immediate rematches we got in the heavyweight division when Don King was promoting the champs from the 1970s thru the 1990s?

Let’s see. When was Norton-Holmes II held? How about Coetzee-Dokes II? Or Page-Coetzee II? Or Page-Tubbs II? Or Witherspoon-Thomas II? Or Thomas-Berbick II? Berbick-Tyson II? Or Witherspoon-Bonecrusher III? Or Bonecrusher-Tyson II? Or Tucker-Tyson II? Or Douglas-Tyson II? How about McCall-Bruno II? Or Tyson-Bruno III? Or Tyson-Seldon II?

Weaver got a rematch with Dokes because the referee Joey Curtis blew the call and stopped the fight in the first. And there was a big public outcry.

Then you had to jump ahead 14 years to Tyson-Holyfield II … but Holyfield's business manager Jim Thomas actually insisted on a rematch clause when negotiating with King because he knew if Evander won the first fight that a rematch would be incredibly valuable, and he didn't want the WBA insisting Evander fight someone else before a rematch with Tyson. (Holyfield wasn't the mandatory, remember. Actually Oliver McCall and Orlin Norris were rated ahead of Evander in the WBA ratings.)

Thomas thought a Tyson-Holyfield rematch would be the richest fight that could be made … and it was in boxing history for a time.

King wanted promotional rights to Holyfield if Evander won, and King got them (because most thought Evander was done). But Holyfield's team wanted the rematch clause.

That’s really about it.

No rematch clauses in writing when King ruled the heavyweight division that I remember.

And when Holmes fought C00ney, C00ney the challenger made $10 million, and Holmes made $3 million. When Bruno challenged Witherspoon, Bruno made more than $1 million, Spoon got $90,000 (out of what he thought would be $500,000 – half of Bruno’s purse). When Tyson challenged Bruno after Tyson got out of prison, Tyson the challenger made around $30 million, Bruno made like $5 million.

By comparison, Wilder making $1 million and Stiverne making $930,000 isn’t quite the big deal you’re making it out to be. It was more or less a 50-50 split. Holmes, Spoon and Bruno “wished” they got a 50-50 split when they were champs.

What's actually shocking is how far the division has fallen off over the decades in terms of value. The purses today are similar to what they were 30 years ago in the 1980s.

 

How can an alt and his cronies get you guys riled up? Povetkin took Meldonium because he was scared of Wilder and anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that Povetkin stopped taking Meldonium and that they only found remnants from when he was taking it in the past is a ****en liar lying to us boxing fans and more importantly to yourself lmfao.

The reason why it is even taking this long for a decision to be made is because they know Povetkin is guilty being that he passed the first few tests and failed and that the Russians would try to take them to court using the "we don't know how long the drug stays in your system" excuse. Scumbags. Meldonium appears and disappears according to Povetkins fans. **** y'all...

 

blame povetkin, he failed a drug test

 

Trace amounts of something that was legal. That's why WADA and everybody else decided to give athletes that were using Melo until October to have it completely out of their system.

Personally I don't think Povetkin's team would be stupid enough to use this heart drug -with it's dubious at best promises of enhancing performance - post ban. Why do that when if you're going to cycle something out you could just use a proper PED that would give you tangible benefits?

 

I think that's fair. One fault I find is that whilst Szpilka and Duhaupas may be considered 11-20 in the HW, it doesn't cover the potential talent disparity between say 12 and 17. That's purely hypothetical though, I totally see what you're saying

 

Yeah but you sum it up in your first sentence "when king controlled boxing."
Now he doesn't. It changes the whole trajectory of what he would want. This isn't the 70s or 80s. Stiverne was his last viable economic asset. And you're telling me he let him get less than 50/50 and no rematch in his deal. Come on. King is no buffoon