If Wilder knocks Ngannou out, will he be in the title picture again?

Wilder and AJ are finished.

Fury is very close to bieng finished and should retire but is so far ahead like Usyk that he could fight again

Usyk has a fair bit of life in him but will retire very soon.

 

No.

For starters, Francis is 0-2 as a pro - he did fine against a poor version of Fury, but Joshua showed he wasn't anywhere near a contender... And he still might actually have a decent chance against Wilder.

Plus Wilder is a bit of a busted flush now - it's hard to manufacture a fraud twice...

The minority who can't see he was always ridiculously overrated think he's thoroughly shot - and he might well be, now, even if it was (realistically) a convenient excuse for his shutout loss to Parker and crushing defeat to ancient Zhang.


If Wilder gets anywhere near anyone remotely relevant it'll be as a sacrificial lamb to be knocked out for attention - he has no other value and isn't beating contenders at 39 years old when he hid from them throughout his prime.

 

He shouldn't be IF he wins, but the powers that be will probably consider that some form of being worthy another shot.

 

Why would knocking out a winless boxer put you in the title picture.

Who cares about it being marketable or not...... The sport needs to stop being treated like the WWE....marketable wins should super seed the rankings and/or talent. This starts with the self-proclaimed true boxing fans who keep supporting this nonsense.

I don't mind exhibitions and such. Get your money, but when we are talking about titles and championships, that is conversations directed at the best in the sport..... Not the most popular.

 

You see him as a total fraud? I mean he was never on fury's or usyk's level but haven't there been worse champions? I have been waiting for him to get beaten because of his poor technique, but I had to accept that he was pretty good at finding the right shot and getting it to work for him. And he had tons of heart.

I would say he is shot now, because of the heart he had in difficult situations against ortiz and fury there is nothing left. And where earlier he was patiently waiting for his shot and taking risks preparing and executing it he is now by far too risk averse to accomplish that.

To me the 'shot' lies in the mental difference I now see in his fights. I don't see him as a favorite against any of the top 20+ anymore and could really see ngannou finishing him if he is prepared to do that.

 

Nagannou-Fury was a non title bout.

 

Is Ngannou a contender? Or even a gatekeeper?

 

Total might be a touch strong, it depends how generous you want to be.

He may have shown tons of heart in the ring, especially against a famously mediocre puncher in Fury - but when it came to who you could actually get him to enter a ring WITH... Well on that score he was as yellow-bellied a coward as you'll see.

Talked a good game, but repeatedly refused to fight even fairly middling contenders like Whyte - and for good reason, he'd have been very likely to lose, and knew it...

As champions go... Zero interest in unification and a long run featuring basically no-one of note, the closest being an ancient Ortiz on heart meds who was very much overhyped with limited accomplishments... Repeatedly ducked contenders, repeatedly refused to fight for undisputed... Pretty poor, really.

It's not like he's had a career of being in wars - he took some beating in Ortiz 1 (and would've been stopped if he wasn't recipient of some major A-side protection) and a beating in Fury 2 and 3, but that's about it...

The bigger problem is twofold - 1 is other guys can see just how limited he is and 2 is he knows it and is afraid to overcommit like he always used to... That plus fighting guys who were better than anyone he ever beat (Fury, Parker and Zhang) was always going to show his level a bit.

In all honesty, I'm not sure if he was ever really more than lower top 10... Add in a bit of natural decline through age and a loss of confidence, along with a hurt ego, and yes I could see Ngannou beating him.

 

So knocking out a guy who has never won a boxing match puts you in title talk? Beating a guy with an 0-2 record?

What nonsense talk is this?

 

Probably. Promoters have made more out of less.

I don't hate Wilder for a retirement fight. They could retire together. He's always dangerous and as far as skills what does Usyk have to prove?

 

Fury Joshua and especially Wilder are all finished no ifs no buts,however they will fight again,there not going to win Titles whilst Usyk is still about but the big money will make sure however they do fight again ! As for beating Francis does that put you back in the Title mix ? Just ask Fury and Joshua what happened after they beat him .

 

Ngannou seems hellbent on CTE, there shouldn't even be a market for this fight.

 

Ngannou stops Wilder early IMHO.