If Wilder knocks Ngannou out, will he be in the title picture again?

Joshua and Fury both have mental issues that could bar them from coming back effectively - Joshua's ego prevents him from switching to more of a points fighter where he'd be more effective, and Fury still hasn't processed two clear losses.

Wilder is a shadow of a myth - age and related loss of speed would always have been likely to hit him hard even if he'd been what he was cracked up to be (which he wasn't by a long way)... Wilder wouldn't and didn't have to decline half as far as the others to cease to be competitive.

 

It's sad when you're fighting the remains of an average fighter like Anthony Joshua...

 

Idk though...

Ngannou isn't going to just stand there and take it, and he's likely still in far superior physical shape - and he'd get up in Wilder's face where he doesn't like it.

The math on KO probability has to take into account both how hard each man can throw and how good their chins are - along with how likely they are to get to test the other... Wilder likely still hits harder, but Francis has a solid enough chin where Wilder has been demolished by mediocre power.

I honestly think Francis would win if this happens.

 

Chisora would've been a stylistic nightmare for Wilder in his prime, I've always thought he'd have been likely to win... He's no legit contender, but I'm far from convinced Wilder was either.

Right now, I think Chisora would win easily, old and declined as he is, I think Wilder's affected more by a similar level of physical decline.

 

Good summary !

I like both of them ( i know and respect that you do not like wilder that much ... ) , the fight might be completely boring or it might be interesting .

We agree wilder has only limited boxing skills , but of course only if we are talking world class level . He for sure has enough timing and aiming to place a direct hit on a boxer who has many many holes in his defence .

Francis on the other hand is a physical beast , without any question far superior to wilder .

I was a strong believer that francis with his incredible physics can overcome his limited skills but aj showed me how wrong i was . At least when we are talking a world class level heavyweight boxer as opponent .

Normally francis should not have the slightest chance even against a washed up wilder imho , but never say never , you might be right !

 

Well Rademacher albeit the Olympic champion fought Patterson for the title in his first pro fight.

However IF Wilder were to win, then his marketability in a title fight is in my opinion nigh on zero, a 40+ year old, who does not or cannot throw his bomb (his only weapon) as he once did, with his recent win/loss record.

Mr Wilder and Mr Ngannou fighting each other, and making some money hell why not, but world title ambitions god forbid.

 

When has Wilder ever not showed up in shape? He's got plenty of issues; staying in shape isn't one of them.

 

Why would a fighter with AJ's physicality, strength, and punching power turn into a points fighter?

 

Wilder won't KO Ngannou, he'll most likely get KO'd. He's older, more physically worn, much more mentally damaged. Herndon has been wiped out by multiple "bums" in a few rounds, he took this beyond atrocious version of Wilder 7 for a questionable TKO. Wilder would have stopped that journeyman in 1 round on his debut, likely within 90 seconds as Ajagba (a poor man's Wilder) did.

Ngannou is by no means a top heavyweight but he's huge (50 lbs heavier than Wilder), very experienced at a high level in MMA/boxing, at least fairly durable (got up twice from flush Joshua punches before getting sparked, never knocked down previously), aggressive and he can punch. Inferior MMA strikers to Ngannou (Hardy, Hunt, Tuivasa) have come over to boxing and made light work of Herndon types and better.

 

He literally tried to stay on the outside against Dubois and got destroyed. He couldn't handle the jab or aggression. Ruiz is a short plodder who was even more out of shape in the rematch, Aj can't replicate that gameplan against anyone else in the top 10

 

Neither are relevant enough really.

 

Legs aside, fair point in a broader sense... When it comes to an overall combination of speed, strength, reactions, etc? Yea, I'd bet on Francis being physically superior if they fought.