If Wilder Never Fought Again..?

Wilder fought bums his entire career.
If you're measuring of those metrics withouth context of quality you know nothing about boxing......
My point has been demonstrated with facts you are speaking bollocks like the spastic you are.

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Yeah, but that's like saying Roy Jones wouldn't have been anything without his reflexes. These guys were born with traits that give them the advantage in fights.

 

Low enough so that he doesn't really matter.

 

Top 50 no doubt, anything past top 30 and there are good arguments for him not to be listed.

His reign and KO percentages count for him if these are the criteria we measure against but the quality of his opposition and lack of quality opposition really hurts him.

I'd quite like to see him fight on - if he has recovered properly from the thumping Fury gave him.

 

He also punched Charlie Zelenoff in the face, I forgot to add, so his top 50 place is secure on this alone.

 

Sadly that's a top 3 win for Wilder.....

 

And for Chuck Z, too.

 

Your general drift is correct but Shavers lost to a litany of journeyman and didn't stop all of the ones he beat, some even being chinny. Wilder is much longer, much faster, much physically and mentally tougher and yes, much more skilled and much more powerful with one punch than Shavers. The truth is that Wilder is H2H nightmare for all but a select few, similar to Ngannou in the UFC.

Legacy-wise, it's hard to compare between eras for a litany of reasons, a big one being changes in boxing politics. It's not yet entirely clear what Wilder's standing will be in this era, whether he will be regarded as the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best but he's without question one of the 6 most accomplished heavyweights post-Lewis.

 

Ortiz was regarded as a massive threat to Klitschko by the likes of Hatman and Kellerman and was signed by Hearn in 2016 to protect AJ from him. Fury and Chisora said that Ortiz was a "very good heavyweight" and "like a southpaw Mike Tyson" respectively. It's ironic that you're talking up Joyce when Joyce's coach in 2019 admitted that he wouldn't put his robbed Olympic gold medalist charge in with an officially 40 year old, post-Wilder 1 Ortiz. Now Joyce would be happy to fight him because Ortiz is 3 years older and has been virtually 25 months inactive, which is why he had difficulties with a much improved Martin before hitting him so hard that he forgot where he was.

 

Hatman

I didn't expect to see that name pop-up. One of the most insufferable and egoist "analysts" on YouTube.

 

wilder is not mentaly tough
that statement right there
oh dear oh dear

 

He does love the sound of his own voice and dabbles in a lot of faux intellectualism.

He said back in 2016, before the prospect of a Wilder-Ortiz fight had even been raised, that in America he'd favour Ortiz to beat Wlad. This was an Ortiz with a considerably thinner "resume" than exists today btw. He also insinuated in a 2016 video, quite correctly as it turned out, that Hearn wouldn't match Ortiz with AJ as the former would be too dangerous.

In recent years he changed his tune on Ortiz however. Recently when analysing Martin's "resume" relative to Ortiz's, he claimed that "no one on Ortiz's record has a pulse apart from maybe Jennings" but then claimed that "Glazkov had a pulse" when A. Martin didn't legitimately beat him and B. Glazkov had got a blatant gift draw against the "pulseless" Ortiz victim Malik Scott.

His powers of logic are clearly no better than many of the midwits on this forum. Ever since Wilder KO'd Ortiz twice, Ortiz has magically transformed into a bum who was, in Hatman's words "absurdly overhyped". It's also amusing how Hatman used to say that Wilder would be "one of the hardest if not the hardest puncher in any era" but now that Fury's KO'd him twice he says that Wilder's reputation as the hardest puncher "isn't really deserved" or something to that effect. He's a bit of a clown.

 

Wilder is delusional and very unintelligent but he has immense tenacity and (at least had) incredible confidence. In a fight that amounts to great mental strength and you'd have to be a delusional moron yourself not to recognise it.

 

weak especially mentally weak people
blame it on everyone for the sort comings
and excuses are plentiful
you will be telling me Khan is meantally strong next
yo deny yhis is to aligin with them sorts
oh dear oh dear