If Wilder travelled to the UK to defend against Whyte...

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Wilder travelled to the UK to defend against Whyte would you consider that he took a risk?
    If so do you not think Joshua took a risk in travelling to the USA to fight Ruiz?

    Joshua took a chance that some champions never take.

    How really different would the above be in terms of risk?

    Discuss
     
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  2. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    He wouldn't he would want the crown jewels for such a risk
    You seen him scurry home mid flight to Russia got as far as London £50 mill just weren't enough
    Serious forty fights with two serious opponents guys a joke
    I mean look at what Whyte is having to walk through for a title shot
    Compare that to furys Joshua or Wilders
    It's a fhooking joke
     
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  3. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder leave the US and his refs and judges? Lol.
     
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  4. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Miller and Ruiz weren’t considered risks
     
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  5. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Yer well Wildmills went to Russia then shat himself and ran home that was a risk..
     
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  6. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    It was a risk and props for that but I'm not sure he had any choice. Remember AJ booked Wembley for April (it was his company that booked the venue and not Matchroom, I believe) but couldn't get anything signed and, more importantly, Hearn wanted his position at DAZN solidified by offering up his prized asset as leverage for the service as it tries to establish in the US. And Miller, then Ruiz, were not seen as genuine threats, and certainly not as risky as it would be for Wilder to fight Whyte in the UK.

    I do wonder if it was Hearn that road--blocked the Wembley plans and always intended AJ's next fight to be in America....
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course they were
    They were home country fighters getting a shot at a travelling champion
    Miller was undefeated
    Ruiz had a disputed loss

    So either way do you think it would have been any more/less of a risk for Wilder to travel to the UK to defend against Whyte, which was the question
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why not as risky as for Wilder to fight Whyte?
    Miller was undefeated and Ruiz could be argued to be at a similar level

    Is it because you hold one in greater esteem rather than all things equal?
    That is a question and not a sarcastic comment (in case you read it wrong and felt offended)
     
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  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Because I think Whyte, right now, is seen as a bigger threat than Miller or Ruiz based on what people thought before AJ fought the latter. As it turns out we were all sleeping on Ruiz but the point remains: AJ and Hearn wanted a routine win on his US debut. I don't think Whyte is a routine win for anyone at the moment and certainly not the type of opponent you would choose for a showcase fight in another country. So if in some alternate universe, Wilder signed to fight Whyte that would be a genuine risk. I don't think Matchroom/AJ/Hearn/DAZN saw any risk in his coming to America debut opponent. Hearn messed up because he put his needs ahead of those of his fighter....
     
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  10. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rock and roll is a risk, you risk being ridiculed
     
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  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ruiz and Parker fought a disputed fight
    Parker coming off a loss fought a disputed fight with Whyte
    Also Whyte has been hurt and wobbled few times

    Level wise seems similar which is why I think it is quite a similar level
    Also remember Joshua had 3 titles on the line to 1
     
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  12. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Nothing to do with Povetkin failed drug tests.

    Guess AJ ducked Miller too.
     
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  13. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Well with the benefit of hindsight, you are right. But for sure, Hearn led his fighter into this bout with a near zero expectation of him being beaten. It was meant to be his showreal KO debut win in the US. They made this fight with the minimum of risk expected. Hearn messed up more than AJ did in the fight itself....
     
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  14. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Well he took a massive gamble coming to the U.K. to fight a former Olympic gold medalist, WBF champ and European champ after all!
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Povetkin passed his B sample, Miller failed about 4 times
     
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