If Wilder uses his jab, he'll probably beat Ruiz

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  1. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

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    Andy's discipline against Wilder's power. Tragic. I remember andy started filming his training camp for Ortiz and stopped after 1 day. Said he was going into the ring at 265 only to come in at nearly 270.
    More surprising than any result would be Ruiz showing up in shape.
     
  2. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    Wilder uses his jab only to set up his cross. I don't see him jabbing Ruiz and playing around with speed and footwork (he even lacks the A and B of it). I just hope Ruiz takes his preparation seriously and we may see a good fight even Ruiz knocking out Wilder.
     
  3. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Going with Wilder by KO or TKO around the 9th
     
  4. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I could just see it now the Pupil popping Bug Eyed Deontay slapping a few jabs together & visibly looking around to see if anyone noticed his large improvement in Boxing department,

    But yeah Ruiz is angled perfectly for Wilder to land his one two, he definitely doesn't have to look very hard to find his target with Ruiz.
     
  5. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    BombSquad!! while Twerking hahaha :number_one:
     
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  6. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man you still haven't forgiven him for that.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Vs which Ruiz is the question, certainly not the guy who knocked Joshua out. We see what Ruiz weights. No official call until then. Wilder has never shown a fight controlling jab not even vs his tier two opponents.
     
  8. miniq

    miniq Tyson Fury Undisputed HW Champion 18/5/24 Full Member

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    It's a good fight
     
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  9. divac

    divac VIP Member Full Member

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    The jab is the winning formula for Wilder if he goes into the fight with that mentality in mind.

    On paper it looks like a mismatch in Wilder's favor, but the reality is that Ruiz's handspeed is the fastest that Wilder has ever faced.
    For a tall fighter with a big reach like Wilder, the formula to stop a faster handed fighter is to time and stick a good jab out.

    Asking Wilder to turn into Larry Holmes with that jab would be unreasonable, but against a fighter the height and reach of Ruiz, it does'nt have to be a great jab, just a good one to keep Ruiz at distance and unable to reach him with his fast hands.
    Whether Wilder actually works on that formula during training is a question mark as he's a fighter that likes to rely on hurting a fighter with one punch and thus is able to be outworked by better skilled fighters who rely on boxing skills.
     
  10. VLDS7

    VLDS7 New Member banned Full Member

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    shut up nuthugger
     
  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Wilder doesn't need to be Larry Holmes, he just needs to act like the Wilder of the Stiverne fight. He did a great job slowing down and controlling the pace against a shorter aggressive opponent. Stiverne and Ruiz are basically the same size: 6'2 chunky aggressive dudes with decent power.

    Just stick the jab out with some oomph behind it, but don't be too lazy or predictable. Bring it back and don't leave it hanging to avoid getting countered. Use lateral movement, occasionally throw the double jab or jab to the body to keep the guy honest, then start throwing the right hand. Clinch whenever Ruiz gets close.
     
  12. divac

    divac VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed!
    Samuel Peter who has less than average boxing skills dominated one of the most skilled fighters in boxing history by just employing a stiff straight jab. Peter even floored Toney with that jab. Toney was helpless trying to cope with Peter's jab.
     
  13. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course Wilder can win comfortably behind his jab, but I don't think he really needs to - if he comes out slugging instead, I back him to find Ruiz and stop him.
     
  14. divac

    divac VIP Member Full Member

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    Wilder has done that vs several heavyweights and been outboxed in the process.
    Ruiz has never been stopped so by Wilder coming out hunting for a KO opens up the only door Ruiz has for victory.

    If Wilder employs the jab, he keeps Ruiz at distance and unable to use the advantage he has on Wilder which is speed.
    The older a fighter gets and Wilder is older now, the more to incorporate your physical advantages in a gameplan to offset the opponents physical advantages against him. The older a fighter gets, the less they're able to cope with a younger fighters speed. Wilder imo should'nt give Ruiz that chance.
     
  15. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder is actually the one person I think could actually stop Fat Andy TBH. I don't see this as a good style matchup for him.
     
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