If Wilder wins, where's he on ATG rankings?

the guy has never even fought a top 5 fighter, he is no different than all those heavies before him who managed to become the 5th best hw of their time. so all those fighters who became 3rd or 2nd best, are ahead of him on an atg list, never mind all those who were actually regarded as the best.

 

Number 84521 probably. Top twenty from Alabama

 

Hi goes from Alabama windmill level to Dutch windmill level.

So decent windmill level , but still a windmill.

 

probably around 3 or 2 all time, i mean his record is outstanding hes knocked out every tomato can hes fought its incredible.

 

GGG is my # 1 p4p in boxing history. You better respect the the GOAT.

 

Somewhere in the bottom... At least for now.

In half-ordered, half-random order*:

Foreman
Tyson
Holyfield
Frazier
Ali
Lewis
Louis
Marciano
Holmes
W. Klitschko
V. Klitschko
Liston
Johnson
Bowe
Patterson
Dempsey
Norton
Walcott
Shavers
Mercer
Moore
Moorer
Charles
Douglas
Byrd
Ibragimov
Povetkin
Spinks
-
Fury
Joshua

Sometimes old fighters are romanticized and sometimes current fighters' opponents appear better than they are, as their names have yet to slip into oblivion - as is the case with some of the opposition of the fighters of the past.

I do, however, feel that Wilder has yet to face opposition that merits him being called an All-Time Great. I admit I might be somewhat biased, both due to not living through the primes of a lot of the listed fighters and finding Wilder's windmill-style very unappealing. He is, admittedly, improving though and he is quite athletic.

The fact of the matter is that Wilder has yet to prove that he is even at the top of his own era though. The Ortiz-fight tonight will bring us a little closer to an answer to that, but let's hold the ATG-talk till after bouts with a few more top opponents.

*I'm not interested in a long discussion about my list, this is my opinion.

 

No, next question.

 

Above Gerald Washington. That is literally the most we can say at this point.

 

you don't think much of the history of the heavyweight division. Wilder is not near the ATG list or even the very good fighters list yet. What has he done? Why this overrating stuff? People have to earn things.

 

Because I have watched hundreds of hours of black and white 8mm film of the best fighters throughout history.

I'm sorry for believing that Julius Long would beat Jess Willard.
That Michael Spinks would have been the GOAT if he fought before 1960.
Wilders TITLE RUN is soft, but no softer than Valuevs.
And Valuev is widely considered a top 30.
Every decade or so, 2-3 fighters elevate themselves into the lists.

Every time....an old timer is pushed down and eventually out of the lists.

Even John Ruiz would be even with Louis, Shmelling and the Rock.

Yet I'm sure this shout will garner dozen of facepalms.