If Wlad ads another notch to his belt against Chambers, will it help his legacy?

It did. Based on his pre-fight talk, I expected Chambers to move around the ring all 12 rounds, but he did not. He was doing a Hasim Rahman in most of the rounds, just standing still against the ropes and doing nothing but blocking, probably waiting for Wladimir to make a mistake when he never does. He was short on ideas and his corner didn't help.

I think it has been well-established by now that playing the counter puncher and using the "rope-a-dope" doesn't work against the Klitschko brothers. He's just going to pick you off with the jab and the occasional right hand thrown, and very, very rarely followed up by the left hook.

 

Wlad's hook is lethal.... Remember when he decked a worn Mercer with it in round 1 back in 2002??? Mercer got up, but he was never in the fight.....

Wlad nailed Raymond Austin with a series of hooks in 2007, but Austin really had NO BIDNESS being in that title fight with Wlad Klit anyway.......

Now Wlad stops Chambers with a hook late in the fight....... Wicked power there..... Lotsa' leverage by Wlad, even though that was a long and stretched hook that caught Chambers on the temple.........

Wlad's hook is a weapon.......

MR.BILL

 

The power isn't lost.

Watch a shot-putter's feet at moment of release. Not in contact with the ground, but obviously the athlete is using the correct technique that will be generating peak force at that moment.

Sometimes the most dynamic follow-through might require the moment of impact to occur when feet are NOT in contact with ground. If the athlete is fully exploiting his power and coordination, it may be unavoidable.

 

It happens to every opponent, now dont tell me every fighter just chokes on their oppertunity for the title and it is just a coincidence. There is two reaosns i think they fight crap

1. The Klitschko brothers are brilliant ring generals and nuetralise any effective tools of their opponent and reduce them to cowering wrecks.

or, the more likely choice.

2. The Klitschkos are such a domianting physical presence, they scare their opponents almost to the extent of Mike Tyson.

 

You speak of extremes. Wlad's performances are studies in one man's pathology for perfectionism. They are also suggestive of unbecoming meekness.

Gatti's do-or-die tendency is not recommended either. I and many others appreciate science and could watch Hopkins all day, but a giant who fights fearfully against relatively small non-threats hurts that giant's reputation and the sport.

This gag order for critics isn't always applicable. Ahem.

--solid evidence to be less of a heavyweight fan in general.

 

OKAY! I agree that Frazier's hook shot that clipped Ali's Jaw in round 15 back in '71 was not one of Frazier's best hooks thrown only to a degree........ Actually the hook landed FLUSH on Ali's jaw, but Frazier and Ali were BOTH exhausted and had already shot there wadd by then...... Neither great had much gas left in the tank.........

Frazier's hook that explodes off of Ellis' jaw in round 4 from '70 is the hook I like best from Frazier......

MR.BILL

 

True. He is very cautious, even over-cautious. It isn't boring to me though.

And Steward was just beeing Steward. He did similar things with Lewis.

I don't think Wlad would do worse against the contenders Tyson, Lewis or Holmes faced. Even so I think all three would beat him.

And no, I don't think they should be forced to fight. Aside of that I'm pretty sure one of them would retire to avoid that.

Well, Chambers tried early. Got hurt and stopped. I think most of his opponents go into surviving mode after getting hit with a few punches.

 

I don't think they choke and I think everyone goes in with a plan A if not plan B. Look at what Chambers did to Dimitrenko. The difference is that Wladimir controls his range better, while Dimitrenko basically let Chambers do whatever he wanted and just wasn't a very good fighter at all.

However Chambers did show against Povetkin that he could very well stop fighting when things weren't going his way. During the post-fight interview after the Klitschko loss, he pretty much questioned his own heart and desire by stating that he doesn't necessarily have the ability and the heart of the past greats.

 

So you think they are brilliant ring generals?

Maybe the Heavyweight division is lacking heart.

 

I've been done on my own doing!

Check out the first one against Foster. He bounces of his feet a bit. Yeah, it's not as dramatic... but the point is you see him springing or pushing off the canvas to get his punch snapping at full force.

The Ellis one is a leaping left hook! I have another angle of the fight. You also see him spring off the canvas.

Granted, when he had you in range he tightened his hook and didn't leap off the ground. But that's natural in order to get his hook off. Frazier had tons of variety with it that's why it was so great. Lastly, when he get a bit older he tended to have less spring on it and punched a bit more in with it I think.

Frazier brags about the left hook that dropped Ali. "Not bam boom, but bam BOOM. One shot" laughs Frazier.

 

Folks,

I really do believe older bro Vitali had a "Sit-Down" with younger bro Wladimir a few fights ago and told Wladimir to KNOCK-Off that stupid **** eating grin on your face that Wlad used to do in some of his earlier fights...... Wladimir used to smile and waive to the fans.... I HATED THAT enterance....... Older bro Vitali NEVER pulled that crap...... When Vitali comes to fight, you can see it and feel his desire to hunt down his prey with bad intentions.......... Point is, Wladimir has of late, picked-up on that ploy..... Well, GOOD!! I'm more happy now that Wlad comes in looking serious or kinda' pissed........

MR.BILL

 

I dont buy this at all.
It looks like bad science to me. But I'm no expert. Are you ?

Because I'm thinking ....... If I can generate force through my legs and hips that allow (or force) me to leave the ground and hit someone with my head, knee, fist, elbow, whatever, I'm generating the force through my legs and hips regardless.

 

Both in my opinion. I think Arreola and Povetkin would have been better, more entertaining matches for Wladimir with their aggression. Chambers may have done a little better against Vitali as in he may have scored more punches, but in the end would likely be stopped or atleast lost a decision.

Chambers simply couldn't reach Klitschko with his counter-punches, but wasn't willing to be an aggressor either, so the only option for him was to survive the distance which he wasn't able to do anyway.

In my opinion it would take someone with aggression, desire and also skills to beat Wladimir at this point. It could be Boytsov in the future but we will see. I tend to doubt it. Povetkin's defense is too leaky and he is a bit sloppy about his work. Arreola and Peter are just too crude.

I think Vitali could be beaten by a slickster with the ability to mix it, otherwise they'll be completely outworked with Vitali still being able to throw nearly 100 punches a round.