If Wlad ads another notch to his belt against Chambers, will it help his legacy?

I mean...come on? You're surely not being serious? You're telling me i "know **** about the actual machinations of the sport"? When you've actually said on this forum that "it doesn't matter where your lead leg is, it has done it's job. You load the lead and transfer to the rear."

That's just made up. Sugar DID NOT tell you that the plcement of the left foot in the left hook didn't matter. That didn't happen. "it doesn't matter where the lead leg is, it has done it's job" is incorrect and shows that you do't understand the machinations of the sport, and it is becoming more embarrassing with every post you make.

"Plant your left foot on the floor. Anchor it. That's driving the punch...keep that left foot planted." - Joe Frazier

"Your power comes from your feet...your left foot is planted. There is no pivot." - Bernard Hopkins.


There is no pivot, never mind flapping it about like a fishes gill But i guess these guys know ****, huh? Somewhere it should say "the entire load is transfered to your rear leg, so the front leg doesn't matter". For some reason these boys stress specifically the placement of the left leg in the left hook. But Seamus knows best :good

Now, a pivot, in my opinion is entirely reasonable. I would say it's a reasonable fucntion of the punch and most guys i know use one. But you're the only person i've ever spoken to that thinks the position of the left foot doesn't matter.


Guys like Trinidad did throw the left hook almost entirely through the right leg, and Joe Louis seems to have believed in it aswell, but you're never, ever going to hear either one tell you that the left foot doesn't matter, or that the left foot in the air is fine. That's just nonsense.

 

I don't just think it, it's definitely the case. It's not a quesiton of what you "can" or "can't" do, rather a question of what is perfect.

 

This is instrcutive. Check out 11 seconds:

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This is the best Tua hook in this compilation in my opinion. Tua DOES lift his left foot off the canvas, but look very carefully. He does it after the punch has landed. It is a function of following through with the hook with the torque generated in the lower body which is a common trait of the punch when thrown very hard. Frazier talks about it - "go ahead and make an adjustment to your balance after you have thrown if you have to". But it's the right way around. Lifting the left foot off the floor AFTER the hook has landed is a world apart from the lifting the foot of the floor BEFORE it lands.

In the double hook immediatly afterwards, he has his left foot planted firmly to the canvas throughout the motion of the hook, but his right foot is lifted from the canvas slightly.

 

Well i'd consider the fighters that spend their lives throwing these punches "qualified experts".

 

The noise helps; but if you look to Tua's foot and at the same time the movement in the head of the victim, it becomes clearer, or it did to me.

That's true, but it's in the section which describes following through, so it's pretty clear that it is after the punch has landed. The full quote: "When you turn the punch over, simultaneously bring your left hip round but keep that left foot planted. Follow through with the punch. If you have to to move a little to stay on balance, do it." That's the original quote,I was paraphrasing, which, yeah, wasn't wise given the kind of detail we are talking about.

Well it's how I was taught and how every single account of the hook i've read describes it. The reason that the left hook hasn't evolved to become a one-legged punch is that it is less effective that way. Watch the double hook Tua throws in the above link and try to imagine it without his planting the left leg. It's impossible.

It's also true that following through with the punch properly is dependant upon balance. I just can't imagine a situation where the left hook would be as affective throw one-legged. I don't know it's the case in the existential sense that I don't know anything but i'm about as confident on it as it is possible to be.

I think that the legs were resopnsible for generating momentum, actually, and said so, but yeah, i basically don't see how the left leg can affect the torque of a given punch in any meaningful way if it isn't planted. I'm not a biomechanic, but that seems obvious to me.

 

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And that was the funtion of Wlad's forward momentum and the mode by which he closed the ditance to allow the hook to be landed. But the reason that Frazier so completely stress the left leg be planted throughout is so the transfer of the power from the leg to the fist is possible.

Either way the idea that the left leg "doesn't matter" in terms of the point of the delivery of the hook is entirely new to me and I would have to believe, nonsense, for the reasons both Joe and Bernard Hopkins indicate.

 

Honestly, I wish I had never opened my mouth.

"Slappy" is a bit strong though