If Wlad ads another notch to his belt against Chambers, will it help his legacy?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't disagree with anything you say. I don't see why an arm punch can't be a really hard punch, which it clearly was as i've said already. What can I say to you? I don't see Wlad's foot in contact with the cancavs when the punch lands. That's because it isn't in touch with the canvas when the punch lands. I don't see how a punch where the force appears to be generated by the arm can be anythig other than an arm punch?

    Why you would be surprised at a "fresh, unhurt" 210lb HW can be hurt by such a punch from a 245lb power puncher surprises me a bit.

    As for comparisons with the hook Frazier threw at Ali; :huh
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It doesn't trouble me in the least, it's happened loads of time before! I've only be through it with cuchulain and he's come round to a position much closer to my way of thinking. I stand by my analysis completely and don't really see how it can be contradicted.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Maybe Klitschko is twisting through with his right foot; it can be done and Joe Louis swore by it, but it sure doesn't look that way to me.
     
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  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't say it was one of the best left hooks I've seen Klitschko throw, although it'll probably go onto be remembered as his most memorable one. It reminded me of the recent Arthur Abraham knockouts where he was not looking all that impressive until suddenly KO'ing his opponent almost at the final bell.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9HNnjTlew[/ame]

    9:38

    You've got to give it to Peter, as crude as he is, atleast he gave a maximum effort against Wladimir.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNU9xKJSrZk[/ame]

    1:20

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDf1opOXN9s[/ame]

    7:25 onwards

    How exciting was Wladimir back in those days? He was an offensive machine.
     
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  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Likewise, the SECOND most famous left hook in history, the left that Floyd Patterson used to regain the title, was also a leaping left hook, and that leap generated the almost nuclear power that kncked Ingo colder than a Swedish herring.
     
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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    i'm sure mcgrain just watched it once. no big deal. since i made a few $$$ on the ko, i watched it over and over and over...
     
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    You got me up shadow boxing trying this out, I cant see anyway in which turning the right foot makes a difference when throwing a left hook whilst your left leg is off the floor.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol::lol: for a webcam.

    Yeah, I can't either to be honest.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Bet i've seen it more than you at this point :yep
     
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  10. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the grand scheme of things, sorry, but I don't see Wladimir Klitschko's win over Eddie Chambers as adding much to his legacy. He already has two pretty good scalps on his resume. The only realistic, additional legacy builder out there right now is his brother...in my opinion.
     
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  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Actually, the fact that you said this surprised me.

    I don't see any evidence that a man of 240lbs takes a better punch than a 210lbs opponent. Old Fogey listed some evidence and there really is very little evidence that bigger men take a better punch, once you're over roughly 200lbs.

    So i don't really see the relevance of pointing out that Wlad is so much bigger, in assessing the damage of this punch.

    Are you suggesting that he can't take Klitschko's punch because he's 209lbs?
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm suggesting that a very big man catching a smaller man flush and the smaller man being KO'd shouldn't really be cause for surprise even if the punch that did the job is less than perfect. Perhaps the same punch would have decked a 250lb man, yes. There's no denying that and perhaps their relative sizes have absolutley no impact upon the result.
     
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  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Good point; Patterson's was a beauty and a classic. Another example is Lewis' left hook that removed Bruno from his senses in the 7th. Or Shane Mosley's straight left during the end of round 8 against Margarito, that did great damage to a very durable fighter.

    You can throw a leaping punch and still have great force behind it.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm finding this increasigly bizarre. Can someone point to the part where I posted that Wlad's punch had no force behind it, or that a punch thrown without two feet planted firmly on the ground has to be a weak punch? I believe i've been saying the exact opposite?
     
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  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Fair enough. I still think it was more than a solid punch. :shock:
     
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