If Wlad beats Haye he's an ATG

Mike Tyson
Muhammed Ali
Jack Johnson
Joe Fraizer
George Foreman
Jerry Quarry
Ken Norton
Ernie Shavers
Archie Moore
Tim Witherspoon
Micheal Dokes
Bonecrusher Smith
Razor Ruddock
Michael Spinks
Leon Spinks
Michael Moorer
Evander Holyfeld
Lennox Lewis
Riddock Bowe
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GTFOH!!!atsch

You sniffin glue!:-(

Anybody could dominate this era. ****ing Marvin Fraiser could dominate this era.

 

and if marvis frazier dominated any era he'd be an atg too :good

let's assume this era is the weakest ever, let's go with that fo now yea :good. rewind back to lewis's era so let's say 2004. at that point, which dominant champ had ruled over the weakest era?

 

Let's get a few things straight.

Wlad has never ever cleaned out the division. If you do not fight the number 2 fighter you cannot possibly clean out the division. And that is including when his steroid cheating brother was retired.

There has not been a linear champion since Lennox Lewis. Fact.

 

True. :good

 

WRONG.

Vitali has a stronger claim that Wlad does...

 

The scores were near identical. Let's not be making up things nuthugger.

 

If the ABC organization's ratings are a joke then why put so much importance on their "title" belts?

The RATINGS are a joke because the organizations [read properly: sactioning mobs] who produce said ratings are an even BIGGER joke.

Knowing this, why should we take the sanctioning mobs [or their so-called "champions"] seriously?

Ray Austin in an EXCELLENT example of what I'm talking about. How does this guy stay atop the WBA rankings? Who has he beaten of note in the last 10 years?

It's a ****ing JOKE.

And if those "title" belts are what makes Wlad a champion then Wlad is a JOKE too...

 

You're kidding, right?

What has Wlad done since getting knocked silly by Lamon Brewster?

I mean honestly, who has he beaten?

From 2006 to the present, his resume reads like a who's who of BUMs, STIFFs, Tomato Cans, No-Hopers, and Dead Guys...

 

Well if naysayer has his own champion whereby the top two guys as he deems has to fight each other for his award of champion that's up to him.

Me personally i'll stick with the bible of boxing as opposed to your opinion.

This 1 v 2 has never been a rule and it isn't a rule now.

There is no such thing as a "linear champion" it's a notional award. For me i'll go for who the ring sanction: as of this moment there is no strong claim of lineage competing with their champions.

 

Thank you sir.

Finally, someone with some sense...

 

Well he's avenged that loss to lamont and amassed a record better than any other active heavy of the time.

Check out his record from byrd onwards as well as the ranking of the fighters at the time.


I'll give you a clue tho, his record against opposition who've been in the top ten is 18-2 with 15 knockouts. Not many heavyweights in history can better that.

He's been the best heavyweight in the world for 5 years runnin. Not many heavyweights can better that either.

I don't like the guy but we can't deny he's a great, not without sounding foolish and having hypocritical criteria.

 

Hey naysayer, who has to fight in the lightmiddleweight division to start a new lineage?

 

Ok, fair enough.

Lets look @ the Ring's current ratings for the Light Middleweight division.

[url]http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-middleweight[/url]

Currently they have Cotto and Cintron as #1 and #2 respectively @ 154lbs with the Ring Magazine 154lb title being vacant. According to their rules, a Cotto Cintron fight would satisfy the requirements to fill the vacant Ring Magazine championship @ 154lbs.

Now let me ask you, would any SANE boxing fan with an IQ above room temperature consider Cotto Cintron a contest to crown a legitimate LINEAR champion @ 154lb?

**** No.

When was the last time Cintron won a meaningful fight @ 154lbs?

Hell, when was the last time Cintron won a meaningful fight @ any weight?

What has Cotto really done since being knocked around the ring by Pacquiao?

The Ring Magazine's ratings are a JOKE because the Ring Magazine [and their worthless trinkets] are a JOKE.

 

Stop smoking crack.

Really, it's not doing you any good.

The Brewster rematch was probably the biggest joke of a fight to masquerade as a heavyweight title contest in all of the history of the sport.

Brewster was comming off of *eye surgery* and a 1+ year LAYOFF.

So again I ask, exactly WHO has Wlad beat since the Brewster I fight?