If Wladimir beats Wilder, Stiverne, Fury, Jennings & Pulev, is he a top 10 ATG HW?

None of them. They were either getting beat by guys they wouldn't have lost to earlier in their careers or retired.

To put the longevity into perspective, if Wlad fights 5-6 more times like the OP suggests, then retires, it'll take him about 3 more years.

His championship reign will have lasted longer than the break George Foreman took from boxing.

 

He already is.

 

So that gives him a pass for fighting a bunch of tweeners and fouling his way to victory?
And you want to claim he's a top 10 ATG for it?
If he's good enough to hand pick bums for every fight , he should be good enough to face the top contenders , but the doesn't.
Now he doesn't have to 'justify' himself in his prime and when he got knocked out by nobodies , thats ok , because he was not prime?atsch

If he has no more to 'justify' to boxing , then why the hell is he holding all the belts. If he can't defend them against all the best available contenders , then is he a bogus , fake champion.

Is it ok for Floyd to down grade his opponents a few levels now that he's 37?
Can he fight a guy like Pablo Cano next and would that be ok because he has nothing left to 'justify'
If Money did that he would be destroyed.

Wlad can however because he is irrelevant and because he is not held to high standards.

 

Fixed.

 

He stopped being on my list after fighting Leapai

 

seriously?

 

Then a huge number of big names have probably been removed from your list for fighting even worse opponents I guess.
Ali fought the likes of London, Coopman, Webner and a litterally shot version of Williams. Guess that clearly disqualified him from your list

 

Rather racist to assume Lewis is American just because he is black. As well as David Tua, who is not of African descent or from America. Hopefully they will stop deleting your racist posts and just ban you. Absurd.

 

LOL. Lewis isn't American, but he migrated to America for the same reason that other fighters who wish to be great do.
Ask yourself, how many times has Lewis fought professionally in England or Canada versus America? Who is Lewis's trainer and where is Kronk Gym located? :yep
David Tua isn't an African American, but he is closer to African American than to being a racist Nazi Russian or European. :yep

If you want to report, than go whine to Zakman the snitch or the ADL. :good

 

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Sow Wlad iz autsaid of may top 21 end ken not tern bak d past.
Sanders iz ehed of him olso: not onli woz Sanders older & smoler dan Wlad wen hi destroyd him izili, bat hi olso autdid him vs Ross Puritty.

Onli 1 in may top 21 wiz e loses ledger klows 2 Wlad's iz Douglas, bat Douglas hez e far beter rezume of wins: Oliver McCall, Greg Page, Trevor Berbick, Dee Collier, Mike Williams, Dicky Ryan, Randall Cobb.


Wlad's best win sow far iz Jameel McCline. If hi bits Pulev it wil b e "tos ap"

 

I think he kinda belongs in the Top 10 by default, I mean come on

Not only is he one of the longest reigning successful champions in the division of all time (admittedly in one of the weakest eras ever), but he also matches up well with every past Heavyweight ATG ever. Now of course, most of that is due only to his height, and he still wouldn't go undefeated, but still

Top 10 is more than fair

 

You cannot be the second longest heavyweight dominant champion of all time, second only to the great Joe Louis and not be a top 5 heavyweight all time great. Wlad Klitschko several months ago overtook Larry Holmes as second longest dominant heavyweight champion. The great Larry Holmes reign of dominance was about 7 years and 8 months. Unlike Wlad he never tried to unify the titles even though in his day there were only two; the WBA and the WBC. Still, every fan and boxing expert knew he was the man at heavyweight. Wlad Klitschko is trying to secure the last major title that Stiverne has and he will get it unless Don King runs like a *****. Any discussion of Wlad Klitschko not being in the top 5 of all time great heavyweight boxing champions at this time is rubbish. Wladimar doesn't have to best anybody at this point to prove his greatness. He is pushing 40 for goodness sake. Obviously he slaughters Stiverne and Pulev but he is top 5 without whipping those two guys. Also, as previous posters have pointed out there are some vile black racists on this site that have had many posts deleted by monitors for their vile anti-Russian, anti-Jewish and anti-white rhetoric. Let's take the high road here and just ban these openly racist posters who come here to taunt and insult fighters based on their skin pigmentation rather than to discuss boxer's legitimate accomplishments.

 

Heavyweight is a historically weak division. Wlad happened to reign in one of its weakest points. Head-to-head, I think he can beat any Heavyweight who has ever existed but if we're ranking resumes, I don't think his list of wins stands up to those of Lewis, Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey, and he didn't reign as long as Louis. So I wouldn't have him in the top ten.