If Wladimir Klitschko goes undefeated for 2 more years..

So if Wlad faces shot to **** Holyfield it would be better than him facing the top 10 guys he's facing is what you're saying? Another idiot that doesn't make any sense. Shavers who?

 

Whats with the insults? this is a forum for debates no?

This is my opinion you don't like it I'm not gonna loose any sleep.

you got an opinion lets talk about that? Do you have one?

As to Shavers go look him up.

 

He will stand where he always has....anonymously.

 

Your opinion is ******ed, as I pointed out. You think you can post stupid shot, and then when you get called on it, just defend it saying "it's my opinion"? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. Shavers achieved what, exactly?

 

I'll go check it out now :good

 

yes but, with respect, it's better to beat a man classed as top 10 in the media than to beat a man who you class as superior but isn't as well regarded.

I personally felt solis was going to be the best hw in the world at the time vitali fought him (infact I'd have favoured solis over anyone and was just waiting for him to prove himself) but because solis was moved quickly he was never a ranked fighter, he's since gone inactive and unless he ever ressurects his career it won't be classed as a good victory by vitali, despite how I as an individula felt.

 

Yes Holmes victories over Shavers and Norton are fantastic. His victory over Ali is worthless as the man had barely won a fight in 5 years by my books.

And as well as being a ruler for a large number of years, he also has a good resume at the top end.

Putting into context, Wlad has the wins over Byrd and Haye which are not as great historically but mean just as much within his era and you can only judge a man based on what he does in his era.

Wlad has beaten 6 of the top 10 names of his era and chances are he'll go on to beat a 7th.

That level of domination indicates the fact that he is a strong ruler.

His resume comparison is not strong which is why I'm saying he's top 15 (along the likes of sullivan, jeffries, jackson etc) and not top 5 (along the likes of johnson, homes, foreman etc).



But here's something I'd like you to consider, Is there any way in which Dempsey should rank above Wald?

If you do take the time to provide a detailed answer I'll happily debate with you. The reason I've picked that specific name is because that's the "tier" I see Wlad residing in [good reign, not great resume]

 

And what exactly is Ernie Shavers claim to fame? :?

 

Why do you think Shavers is a big win for Holmes? I don't get what's impressive about him. I agree on the rest though.

I still don't agree that beating Arreola would do anything for Wlad, seems like he's still ranked in the RING's top 10 because some of his hype has stuck, and not because of any merits from himself. Since being battered by Vitali he has faced nothing but bums except Adamek, and he lost that fight. Since Wlad is tied up for his next 2 fights already with Mormeck and Thompson, that gives Mitchell and other prospects/contenders like Pulev or Boytsov time to have some meaningful fights meanwhile (in fact Pulev is supposed to face Dimitrenko next, who is ranked by the RING, let's hope he doesn't pull out) that will make them much more deserving and attractive fights than Arreola.

In fact I just checked the RING rankings and Dimitrenko is #5, what a joke lol, but still, should Pulev win that fight (which I think he will), he'll become a much better opponent for Wlad than Arreola.

 

He beat ali by my cards and he sparked norton in 1 round he has other decent victories as well such as stopping a young young.

His place as number 1 contender to larry was well deserved.

The fact he's rated does something imo. All wlad can do is beat a rated opponent. That's all we can ask of him. The more rated opponents he beats, the better his resume is. Pulev beating dimi certainly sends him us the list of credible opponents :good

Yeah now that i've updated the hw rankings it's easier to compare the amount of ring ranked opponents wlad has faced in comparison to other guys who are competing for top 15 hw spots.

 

I'll have to watch that Ali-Shavers fight, then.

Yeah, Arreola is rated, but what if the ratings are wrong? Which in this case I think it's pretty clear they are, I mean they have Dimitrenko at #5 FFS

I think apart from the Povetkin fight, which really needs to happen, a Pulev fight would be the next best thing provided he beats Dimitrenko, and hopefully Mitchell, Perez and other contenders step up their competition this year to make themselves worthy contenders for next year.

 

Yeah it's close but shavers deserved it imo.

Ratings won't be perfect, ever, atleast with the ring they rate anyone regardless of sanctioning fees being paid plus the ratings are decided by a panel.

Sure I disagree at times but I can't expect I fighter to do anything other than face the highest rated competition.

 

Unfortunately it may be better for him legacy wise to beat up the likes of Holyfield than the top guys of the present, just to have a name on his resume.
Time will tell how Wlad is rated, maybe 15-20 years from now his resume will be better appreciated if somebody he has beaten goes on to be the dominant heavyweight after Wlad retires.

 

:yep

In 6 months time, he will go second in duration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_reigning_heavyweight_champions

 

Only behind Joe Louis now.