"If wladmir was younger hed beat Aj" r u sure???

Kind of , not really , i wouldn't say so. He was a clinch master. Manny used scream at him all the time to let his hands go.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/

He was taken 20 seconds away from the distance by 6 foot Chambers who had the punch of a 175 pounder.

He was scared to move towards Ibrahamov who was half his size and limited in skill , no punch with zero athletic ability

https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/118105

Wlad never held a high guard. His defence consisted of illegal backing humping. Guys couldn't land on him because they were either too small , too limited , or they were just leaned on every time they got close.
This prime Wlad under Manny went life and death with Peter , floored by Williamson , looked average against slow as molases Thompson and fought timid against total non-factor David Haye , even picking up a point deduction for excessive holding.
The Wlad Saturday looked miles better than the guy who deserved to be DQ'd for throwing Povetkin around the ring by his neck for 12 rounds.
Saturday's Wlad showed agility and evasiveness that he never showed before. Parrying and riding with Joshua's shots and pivoting off out of harms way.
Wlad 15-18 years ago stood upright , stiff as a poll with zero upper body movement and backed off in straight lines. You can't say he was better when knocking over cans like Austin or the washed up remains of Ray Mercer cos those guys aren't remotely close to a guy like Joshua.

 

I asked you would you give Joshua credit if he won after you picked Wlad and you said Yes..
Look at you now

 

One very important thing we saw was a key to beating Joshua

A key to beating Joshua lies in getting him to try and ko you, being smart enough to lock him out of it for long enough.... be smart enough to pick up when hes gassed due to his massive girth and muscle size... and then ko him there and then.

wlad had the skills to achieve some of that tonight, but didn't have the tank to deliver the second half of the plan.

 

Agreed. Also a third reason I'd add why fighters are lasting longer is they take less fights and less punishment. 32 was about that time when fighters were past prime. Now it seems they're lasting until 35.

 

I hate it when Herol posts something good and I have to acknowledge it.

 

Yeah, interesting....

But back to the point. The sentence you typed... no one had said or implied that, or anything remotely close. Only you. A classic example of reframing. People do that a lot. You know the kind of thing: 'So what you're really saying is...' followed by a massive exaggeration or deliberate misinterpretation of an alternate PoV in order to discredit it.

I'm simply calling you out over this. Nothing personal...strictly business.

 

Who was his best win in that period?

 

yeah but Haye never committed to anything himself in order to keep himself from getting knocked out, so lost the fight in conclusive fashion anyway. that's like saying bonecrusher never got caught with Tyson's best punch.

you might have a point about the left hook, i'd have to watch a few of his fight to be confident about answering that. All I know is that his timing looked off and he was missing a lot, at times lunging forward but nothing was there, which didnt look like the prime Wlad some are trying to claim.

 

DaVarryl Williams dropped Wlad also.

 

Wladimir in his mid 30s was a little faster.

Wlad probably would have been able to out point Joshua easier with his younger reflexes , something he was doing before the 11th round at 41.

Joshua probably would always give Wlad a challenge though. And Joshua may develop more in the next years. And who knows how great he will become. His prime could be more dominant then Wlad, time will tell.

 

AJ would have been a dangerous fight for Wlad at any point in his career due to his power, speed, and resilience. That said, I think a younger Wladimir would have pulled the trigger and finished Joshua when he had him badly hurt in the sixth. Joshua looked to be one good punch from being done, but Wlad didn't have the reflexes or stamina to finish him.

I can't really credit Joshua for his defense at that point as he was wobbling all over the place, but his chin and heart are not questionable. It was a truly awesome comeback from AJ either way and he showed that he is the real deal.

 

You really need me to answer that? Well there was Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Tony Thompson (When he was still good) twice and Chris Byrd.

 

Great post, i disagree only with one point, i rate the fight as one of the top 10 HW title fights of all time at least
and not as a top 30 HW title fight.