If you consider Helenius TKO4 Kownacki a massive upset... don't.

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    I definitely don't have my hopes up. The vapid nature of the sport will more than likely squander any potential the division might have.
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Rahman didn’t go the distance with a gauntlet of highly regarded fighters leading up to the Povetkin fight. Arreola’s win over McCline is impressive because he did what the others couldn’t and stopped him.
     
  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes but it's no wonder why looking at Mccline opponents apart from beating Grant straight after Lewis beat him ( which Mccline career solely lives off) and a past it Briggs he only beat very poor level opponents. I mean Mccline had 3 consecutive loses against the likes of Valuev (granted kneee injury) Peter and John Ruiz.
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Weird. Beating Grant, Whitaker (at his peak), Briggs, and Boswell (before Povetkin) is a better win column than Chisora and Kownacki have, and is cutting it really close with Povetkin.
     
  5. RacingBeat

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    10-4, horses for courses
     
  6. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You cant be serious? Doesnt come close to Povetkins resume of Chagaev, Byrd, Perez, Huck, Takam, Chambers, Charr, Duhuapas,Wach etc.

    I wouldnt give Mccline much credit for Boswell win. Going into the Mccline fight Boswell last 5 opponents had racked up 25 loses combined at very low level.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    So Povetkin beat two guys who were top ten ranked (Chagaev and Perez) and McCline beat two (Grant and Whitaker).

    McCline beat one former lineal champ and Povetkin beat zero.

    McCline beat one guy who would go on to gain a big three belt (Briggs) and Povetkin beat zero.

    McCline never failed a drug test and Povetkin failed two.

    This thing is pretty close.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    'Heavyweight contender Jameel McCline, who is set to challenge WBC interim heavyweight champion Samuel Peter on Saturday night at Madison Square Garden, has been accused of receiving more than $12,000 worth of steroids, human growth hormone and related drugs. Citing an unnamed source 'familiar with the clinic,' the New York Daily News is running with a story that alleges that McCline received testosterone, Stanozolol and Nandrolone, along with human growth hormone and Tamoxifen between March 2005 and December 2006'




    'The ex-pugilist said he never tested positive for PEDs and then, “Of course we were using! Everybody was using. You cannot compete at that level amongst the best in the world and not use. It’s insane to even think that!”

    Yes, he went there. Fans want to see the tremendous exploits, from boxers to cyclists, but don’t want to really consider the seamy possibilities, as to how they are SO effective.

    “You’re out of your mind to call me or anyone else who does this a cheater,” he said. “As a matter of fact, that we were willing to put chemicals into our body to be able to perform at our peak, of course we were (using)!”

    McCline said that using PEDs shows dedication to craft. “We’re not doing steroids,” he said. Actually highly complex medications, developed to treat cancer side effects and such, were what he used. “We just knew how to beat the tests back then. I don’t know what these guys are doing anymore,” he stated.

    He said he doesn’t think he has any health effects, which could have stemmed from using the exotic chemicals. (I noted that we had Mia St John, another ex-fighter, on the show and she regrets using PEDs.) He doesn’t think so. Some depression, yes; it ain’t easy to come down from being treated like a rock star.

    “I don’t have any regrets because it was a part of the game.” McCline sees this choice as one he needed to grab, to excel, “Did I cheat to get there? No. I thought I was being intelligent because the goal is to get there. And being that we weren’t using steroids, I don’t know that it was wrong. Why can’t I use a medication that was built for someone who has breathing issues? Or for someone that has blood issues, that can’t develop red blood cells?…Why can’t I take growth hormones that was made for the AIDS patient?…I think it it’s courageous; I think it’s intelligent because you know it can hurt you…I know it is wayyyy over-the-top thinking. But if you really talk to guys who’ve done it, deep down, they’re saying the exact same thing I’m saying. It’s not cheating; it helped.”

    He was introduced to the PEDs when he was an “apprentice” and, no, he won’t name names who showed him the “dark” light. He spoke of the fancy chemicals which served him well; EPO (erythropoietin, which stimulates red blood cell production and growth), he said, worked wonders, as did Procrit (which also boosts blood cell levels).

    McCline mentioned a couple guys whom he thought were not using “back in the day” but communicated that he thought just about everyone was looking to get that chemical edge, “I paid doctors, chemists. It was injected into the business plan; that’s how big a part the preparation was,” he said. McCline is pretty sure that many of the A-grade hoopsters are using HGH (human growth hormones) and the like.

    And so should we just allow PEDs to be used? “I wish it were regulated and brought above the table…These aren’t illegal substances; these are banned substances from sports,” he said.

    McCline shared when he started engaging with PEDs and said, “It is part of the platform,” and, “I wish guys were more honest about it.” He hopes that people who have retired are willing to come clean and admit what they did.

    “No regrets, Michael,” he said, firmly.

    We talked about then and now and the degree of prevalence of use now. “Internationally it is still very accepted in the forefront, behind the scenes. In boxing, I’ve noticed, this VADA is serious,” he said. McCline added that experts are necessary to be able to beat the tests and people know the tests are coming more frequently, so, “I suspect it’s definitely gone down in boxing.”

    My three cents: I appreciate McCline being willing to put out a politically incorrect take. He told us he didn’t really have to deliberate going public with his usage and the presence of PEDs in the sport.

    “It’s just about being honest. It is what it is,” said McCline.
     
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  9. Mitch87

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    You included a fighter such Whittaker, who was a one fight wonder against Oleg Maskev after he was coming off a lose to Kirk Johnson of all people.

    The lineal Champion Briggs lost his lt 4 years prior to fighting Mccline ( of which he earned the lineal title by beating a 48 year old Foreman) . After losing to Lewis and prior to the Mcline fight Briggs had lost to a 9-9 journeyman Sedreck Fields.

    Your comparing two different eras of which the earlier era the top fighters would fight on way past their prime not only fighting losing joruneymen but losing to them. Your glamourising wins over very in decline fighters to make point.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    The point is that Povetkin generally fought softies and had beens.
     
  11. Mitch87

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    You just used Briggs as example one of Mccline best wins and Briggs prior to that had lost to 9-9 journeyman.

    As well as Boswell - a guy who went into the fight against Mccline with his last 5 opponents had 25 losses combined and 4 of 5 opponents losses were losses at extremely low level.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Briggs lost to Fields because he was 280, didn’t train and his asthma was acting up.

    Boswell was selected all those years later to be an opponent for Povetkin. Povetkin didn’t really distinguish his win column from McCline. It’s longer but not much higher in quality.
     
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  13. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Excuses, excuses...
     
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