If you have time watch Both fights and tell me Marques wouldn't win again

Pac made JMM do an even worse chicken dance in Round 10, in addition to Pac whipping Marquez so hard in Round 3 that JMM went to the wrong corner at the bell.

 

Look man, I watched both fights again yesterday, and I tell ya, anyone who claims Marquez schooled Pac looks like a fool to me.

The first fight, both fighters won three clear rounds each, with pac getting three knockdowns giving him the edge. The other six rounds were all fought evenly and you wouldn't be wrong scoring them all 10-10. Even if you were favoring Marquez and gave him those 6 rounds, it still only ends up in a 114-112 win. Certainly no schooling given the majority of the rounds he would've won could've gone the other way. Anyone who says "Oh but without the knockdowns he would've won by more"..well, ****, the knockdowns did happen, don't be ****ing stupid by just ignoring them. They did count, and they did effect the fight. Anyway, I had Pac winning by 3 points.

The rematch was much easier to score. It was clearly 6 rounds each to me, with Pac's knockdown being the difference. Pac had two big rounds, when he knocked Marquez down, and later on after he rocked Marquez with an overhand left. Marquez had one really dominant round, after Pac got cut and was having trouble fighting with it. Most of the other rounds were close, but I thought were clear enough to score. As I recall there were only two rounds which I thought could've been scored 10-10. The last round which I scored for Marquez and one of the previous ones which I scored for Pac. Marquez was also lucky he wasn't given another count after the knockdown as he held onto the ropes after Pac sent him reeling again. All in all a close, highly competitive contest from start to finish, with Pac taking a 114-113 victory. Again, talk of a schooling is just ******ed, and anyone who calls it that again I will consider a ******.

As for the third fight..Pac has gone to another level from the two fights he had with JMM. i expect him to have a much easier time if they fight again, and if he doesn't end up being too strong for Marquez and stopping him, I see a clear UD, maybe 8-4, 9-3 and him surprising a few people at the ease of it.

 

The only realistic outcome for Pacquiao-Marquez III is Pac brutally KOing Marquez.

 

Fighter86,

Do you think Marquez beats ODLH/Cotto/Clottey/Margarito?

atsch

 

Marquez was lucky he fought a weight drained and not prime PAC!

 

I agree with everything except the bold, because that's something only Morales could pull off thanks to his chin and his ability to work inside. Marquez would likely eat too many punches (and possibly get knocked down again) if he tries to back Pac up and that would giving away rounds to Manny. He should be the one letting Pac do the overextending the same way he caught Pac jump-lunging at him in Round 2 of the 2nd fight (although Pac probably won't make that exact same mistake again).

That being said, people who keep talking about JMM's counter-punching are severely underrating his ability to initiate the offense. His offense is what actually kept the 2nd fight a close one, because Pac was actually pulling his gloves back after punches much better in order to catch JMM's countershots.

 

When did Pac do a chicken dance? When he got caught in MID-AIR?! And recovered in 1 second?

atschatschatsch

 

I understand you and agree that if Marquez moves forward the whole fight, he'll get stopped, but what I mean is, he needs to move backwards and then counter and when he counters, get Manny to move backwards and hopefully against the ropes

 

If you're talking about @ 38 seconds, Pac was MID-AIR when he got hit, and that caused him to momentarily lose his balance as he landed. He recovered very quickly and there was no chicken dance to speak of.

Is there another moment in the fight?

 

I'm not exactly sure how that would work. It sounds like JMM and Pac would actually have to travel parallel to the ropes, and JMM using a back-lateral step to catch Pac against the ropes. If I was Nacho, I wouldn't be too fond of that idea of JMM in a ropes situation with Pac (either way with Pac's back on the ropes or JMM's back on the ropes). That kind of situation could backfire because Pac's actually has a very good guard with his back on the ropes (and in both fights so far, whoever's back was on the ropes ended up actually getting the best of the other fighter in those situations). JMM has to control the center of the ring.

 

JMM hit Katsidis on the body a lot cause Katsidis is trying to make it a close range fight. Pacquiao does not fight that way.