If You Have18kos Inside 4 rds Out Of27 Stoppages Are You A Very Slow Starter

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Houdini states that Joe Frazier was "a very slow starter".
    Frazier has 37 wins, 27 of them are stoppages and of those 27 ,18 of them were in the first 4 rounds.
    They are as follows;
    5. 1st Rd
    5.2nd Rd
    4. 3rdRd
    4.4th Rd
    That's two thirds of his total stoppage wins.
    In your opinion,does this indicate Frazier was a very slow starter?
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Who against?

    A big difference between getting early KOs against overmatched opponents, and doing it in big fights.

    You could nhave a slow start and still get an early KO with enough gap in class.

    In truth though I think Frazier's style just lends itself to doing better as the fight goes on.
     
  3. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The historical record is full of references to Frazier being a slow starter. Only a boxing neophyte, of a very low level, would try to argue otherwise! If you were into boxing in the early to mid 70’s this was always spoken of/written about concerning Frazier.
     
  4. BCS8

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    I think I smell an alt
     
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  5. Tonto62

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    Ramos,Ellis, Quarry,Chuvalo ,Foster Will that do you for quality?
    Yup. I accidently logged out last night and couldn't remember my PW.
     
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    Lets have some of these references the record is full of!
    Give us three out of the many you refer to!
     
  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Some people think certain fighters are slow starters simply because they start slow in a big fight. I'm sure Frazier could start fast and slow depending on what the situation called for
     
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  8. HOUDINI

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    1). First round of Ali vs Frazier 1 Dunphy mentions Joe tends to be a slow starter in round 1. I mention this reference as I just watched this fight.

    2). Any book ever written about Joe Frazier.

    3). Google it.

    Again you argue points that are well known bread and butter aspects of boxing history.
     
  9. HOUDINI

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    Joe would warm up excessively pre fight to try to help overcome his slow to start tendency. Joe himself referenced his slow start in an interview.

    If you lived through his career it was well known that around round five Joe would “start to smoke” and the time to pounce on Joe were the first few rounds. Boxing history 101.
     
  10. HOUDINI

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    Absolutely. Early 70’s common knowledge.
     
  11. HOUDINI

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    Well said. Joe was also vulnerable to be hurt during the first few rounds more so than later.

    If you were around in the early mid 70’s you always went into a Frazier fight looking out for how Joe started to “smoke” circa round 5. For those who were not close to the game at that time and disagree once again you are looking at records not doing the leg work to understand the big picture. It’s a failing I’ve seen in many boxing fans. Joe was a slow starter. It’s not a debatable subject. It’s well known history.
     
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  12. Tonto62

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    Quarry,Ellis,Ramos, Foster .Good enough quality?
     
  13. HOUDINI

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    Quarry, Ellis were disposed of in five rounds or more. That’s the time frame when Joe starts smoking.

    Ramos and Foster were glass chinned. Both men shook Joe prior to Joe stopping them. A propensity for being hurt early is also a characteristic of being a slow starter.

    But this is all 1970’s boxing 101.
     
  14. Jackomano

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    This. Both Joe and his son Marvis were very slow starters and were extremely vulnerable early in fights, but once they started smoking they could be a handful for anyone.
     
  15. HOUDINI

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    I’d like to see a listing of poster ages in comparison to their belief concerning this subject. I could see those not from the US and/or being too young to realize having a distorted opinion. However anyone who was close to the fight game during that time US based should have only one thought here. Joe was an exceedingly slow starter.