If you haven't seen LEGENDARY NIGHTS, here you go

did anyone see balboa vs drago???

WOW!

 

Oscar definitely beat Shane in the second fight. People always go on about how Oscar got favours from the judges, but he's been jobbed a few times too.

I'm a fan of De La Hoya. I think his level of opposition was stella and he was awesome at 130 and especially 140. You could make a case he has the stiffest comp on his record since Ali and that's saying something. Only Leonard, Holyfield and Hearns could match and better his resume in the last 35 years in boxing IMO. Apart from Winky and Vernon which weren't really that viable and you can't blame him for not facing, he fought EVERYBODY.

If you look closely, the rounds Oscar slowed in all his big fights was around the 7th 8th or 9th. He consistantly lost those rounds in fights. In the early days though he would close really strong in the last couple of rounds after slowing down in those three rounds. He did that against Pernell, John John Molina and Ike.

If De La Hoya was able to fight through fatigue and hide when he was tired then he would be looked at differently and ranked much higher historically. If Oscar didn't have this flaw he would be right there, alongside the likes of Ray Leonard IMO.

 

oh **** this is a serious boner thread, much love

 

Anybody else feel Oscar De La Hoya left 140 too soon? I thought he looked sensational at light welter and it was his best weight. Just so sharp and sleek. He was so on point against Chavez (although it was a past it JC and not the JC superstar of the late 80's). Oscar was something else at that weight and i think he would've given people like Pryor, a prime Chavez, and Cervantes all they could handle and then some.

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Thought the #chavez fights where both at 147 mate

 

The first one was light welter, LP.

 

was it:good

Only really seen a handful of Oscars fights. i always thought people were a tad harsh on his career over all, he looked pretty devastating in the first Chavez fight

 

Did you see the second one? it was closer and more entertaining than the first one, and it was also the first time Chavez conceded defeat to De La Hoya ( he was none too happy with the first fight getting stopped on cuts).

 

of course i have:yep

Didnt think Chavez had tat in him but father time caught up with him and Oscar was to Quick, to fresh to relentless that fateful night:--(

 

Wow, 140 Oscar Vs Pryor is something I've never entertained before :think

 

It's a great match-up, Flea. You'd have to favour The Hawk, he was such a brillient pressure fighter who was very difficult to keep off and outbox for extended periods. I think Oscar would be extremely competitive with him though. Oscar's jab, his ability to hook off it beautifully and footwork would give Pryor real problems, but i think Aaron would probabily outwork him and come on late with his stamina. Pryor was one of those guys who could force a boxer to fight him, his style was just so frenetic.

I want to say one thing though. Pryor had a really bad habit of raising his head when he was throwing punches and especially combinations. This would make him susceptible to Oscar's best shot and that's the left hook. Oscar caught almost everyone with that shot who couldn't avoid it, i think this flaw of Pryor's could've been his undoing here and he would definitely be a sucker for that left hook.

 

He would, but Pryor was steely IMO, bar a past prime fight, at 147 where I think a headbutt contributed to his demise.

As Pryor is no massive puncher, Oscar, as he would, would oblige him in a tear up IMO. At times anyway, and I'd favour the Hawk to win those rounds.

I wouldt be surprised to see Pryor down early, he liked early round flash kds ;-)

Ultimately, a peak Oscar is essentially one handed. Pryor, who knew how to effectively pressure, wouldn't ship too many massive shots IMO. It would be up to Oscar to spring from mid-range with his left, stun and then flurry Pryor. He would have quite a bit of success by hooking off the jab, he had as versatile a left hand as I have seen in my lifetime.

Pryor, points, in an epic battle. Both men would fade at points of the fight, would be very interesting to see either man take the initiative when that happens :good

 

Pryor, being short, did have a tendency to arch his back and 'look up' at his opponent when he was in full flow, I agree. Oscar, like Alexis a tall fighter for the weight, would also see Pryor doing this, and De La Hoya was great at banging and then throwing his own combinations in a firefight. Both men had solid chins IMO, despite Oscar being a bigger puncher than Pryor by some distance, the arsenal he shipped and withstood in the first Arguello fight especially, leads me to believe he'd be okay. But despite zpryors toughness and intensity, I agree that Oscar would really back him up at points.

 

I think the physicality of Oscar would also be a factor. He stayed on his toes, had this bounce and really good rythm. This would've helped us more if Oscar stayed at 140, he would've created a legacy there and was really becoming a boxer-puncher machine. He gave up a lot of that physicality when he jumped up so soon. It was a jump of 4 weights in 3 years which was ridiculous. I'm really seeing Pryor getting eaten up with that Nonito Donaire-esque left hookercut. Ike Quartey also had that same flaw of going down and then raising his head. I give Oscar more of a chance the more i think about...he didn't have any stamina problems either back then.

 

Agreed that Pryor would have more troubles navigating Oscar when the flat-footed Arguello.

I think Oscar would struggle with the pace Pryor would set, especially as the rounds go on. Oscars left hook was a powerful tool, but I'm struggling to see him really keeping Pryor honest enough to win. Pryor would come through Hell, and that includes Oscars famous assault.

De La Hoya was blindingly good as a young man, a bit less sturdy though IMO (not saying I'd pick anyone to stop him down there or anything!!!) and oozing talent.

I was too young to remember, but I assume he was being touted as 'the new Leonard' or whatnot? His resume is very good, not quite that good, but he's a lock for anywhere between 70-85 IMO.

Who's greater; Oscar or Floyd (someone else I place around those places)??? The whole 'Oscar lost his biggest fights' ISN'T true IMO.

He just had a lot of big fights :deal