If you heard a story that would hurt boxing legend, should you tell it?

Agreed, and I will also ad, that its no more of an advantage to take steroids than to participate in an era ( such as the 1900's - 1940's ), where certain participants were limited in their success due to their racial or ethnic description.

 

vitali klitschko tested positive for steroids

 

If a boxer is said to be the greatest when compared to other fighters but then turns out to have been using substances to enhance his physical abilities does this not impact upon how we compare. yes, he 'might' still be the greatest but you have to factor in this advantage.

Growing to a certain height is totally different unless you are taking something to achieve it. The man is the man. A drug is synthetic.

 

Because he's awesome :good

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Man, his wife has really aged badly between those two pictures being taken.

 

I doubt Ali took steroids and, even if he did in the 70s when he was over the hill, his legacy is essentially secure.

a) As of the Liston title fight, the 60s Ali showed everything his legend claims: the speed, the skill, the durability (Liston's Round 5 rib-crunchers).

b) Empirically too, his muscle tone and overall appearance at his best do not seem to be steroid-pumped.

c) This doesn't seem to be in line with Ali's character. The man could be called many things, but he was always a fair player, accepting the unjust loss of his title, following the law in his fight with the U.S. government and seeking to regain his crown only in the ring. His plain-in-view clinching tactics were there for the ref to address, but this is not symptomatic of a guy who looks for shady shortcuts. In fact, even in his fights he refuses to take cheap shots (save the end of Round 1 vs. Holmes), his cocked fist restrained at the final bell against a wobbly Shavers and escorting a falling Foreman. Ali tried to live with integrity.

d) His decline as an athlete is generally reasonable. He did not suddenly develop better skills, durability or anything to raise a brow in the 70s. He became a rope-a-doping, cunning, round-and-decision "stealer", clearly past his best, filled out, yes, but, again, never displaying anything like Barry Bonds' ridiculous late bloom or even Holy's He-Man morphing; just an old man getting worse with every fight.

 

Maybe she was on them too!

 

Question number one-

What exactly is the evidence?

A rumour without evidence to back it up is just a rumour.

 

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The thing you have posted here Mendoza is a very vague rumour, not a story. But even so, why not post it? It always make for a nice discussion. I wouldn't print it in a paper, but it's alright here on the forum I think.

I'm no expert at such things, but for me the development of Ali's body in the seventies is not one I would connect with a doper. While Holyfield put on 10-15 pounds of muscle from the early 90's to the mid/late 90's, the 10 extra pounds Ali put on was mostly fat. Those times when he really got himself in shape in the 70's he was about the same weight as in his prime, 212-215 pounds.

He bulked up on some muscle before the fight in Manilla, so that could theoretically be through steroids, but he still didn't look 'roided' to me. After that he looked overweight just about all the time and completely lost the muscle tone of his youth. For me that's not how his body should develop if he was on steroids...

 

You just behave yourself.

 

"We’re wanted men. I have the death sentence on 12 systems!”

 

And what exactly is it? Is it that Pachecko gave Ali steroids specifically, is it that Pachecko was into dealing with steroids in general, or was he just connected to people who did?

 

Another example of plastic surgery gone wrong, why do women take the risk.