If you heard a story that would hurt boxing legend, should you tell it?

He's from Chicago.

 

I've always wanted to say that!










Now, janitor, let's be honest, there was nothing on Dempsey that you were talking about was there?

 

Yeah ,for a minute there , I thought it might be true .

 

Ali took steroids YET didnt gain any muscle mass, strength, power, stamina or speed. He should ask for his money back and come to me next time

 

Why?

How?

Why is being oneself- something that requires no effort- ok, but taking legal supplements is not ok?

Let me illustrate this with a counter-factual: creatine is a performance-enhancing drug that is currentely legal in the US. Now, if the US parliamentary system was to pass a law banning creatine as part of a "war on drugs", would you discount the achievements of boxers with access to creatine? For that matter, given that boxers have only had access to creatine in recent years, do you subtract whatever advantages it may bestow on modern boxers when comparing modern boxers with the boxers of days gone by?

 

If you haven't seen the "Robot Chicken" sketch of that scene, I recommend hunting it down.

 

'I heard a rumour' ok cause you did, you dont know anyone important to hear rumours from

Secondly he didnt add any muscle, he was 210 against Liston and 216 against Foreman. And he had a higher bodyfat percentage against Foreman. So in 10years he didnt gain any muscle!!!! :deal

Now if you want a serious steroid suspect look no further than Vitali Klitschko:

Vitali weighed 196lbs in 1992 (the same age as the 210lb Ali who faced Liston)

Vitali weighed a lean 235lbs in 1996 the same year he failed the steroids test (an increase of 40lbs of lean muscle mass in just 4 years)

Vitali weighed a lean 249lbs in 2000 (a total gain of 54lbs of lean muscle mass in 8 years)

I doubt you'll be championing Vitali as a steroid user because of your usual reasoning

 

Vitali weighed 196 well into his twenties? This is why I can't buy into comparing fighters across eras on any other basis except their records against men of their own eras. Vitali's weight or someone like Sam Peter's or Ike Ibeabuchi's weights are problematical if taken across time to several generations ago.

 

"Ali gained about 30 pounds of muscle rather quickly."

Don't know, but a man does fill out quickly from 18 to 23 in a lot of cases. Steroids are not a necessary explanation.

 

Well, two months and 12 pages of essentially nothing, my answer would be...........Ah no..........

Of course that's coming from a Chigoan who doesn't know how to behave himself...

 

wow didn't know that. hes nothing more than a cheating juicer.