If you love boxing, you should be able to appreciate what fighters bring to the sport

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  1. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm obsessed with this sport, was an amateur boxer (not a good one), was a boxing writer for awhile, and I'm still obsessed. I feel that boxing fans would do well to take a step back at times and just simply appreciate what fighters bring to the sport, aside from the love/hate overrated/underrated arguments:

    *Pacquaio- the rags to riches, humble, smiling good guy. The guy the masses root for. And then there are those guys who you know (or are). You know them, the guys that root for the bad guys in the movies, despite knowing they won't win. Smaller, but beating up the bad guys (like Margarito) and bleeding to do it.
    *Mayweather- the bad guy. Loud, no qualms about talking about his greatness, the guy people love to hate. And yet, so technically brilliant, some cannot help but love his proficiency. A picasso at work, a Michelangelo at the Sistine Chapel...but will he use his powers for good or bad?
    *Hamed- awkward, breaks all the rules, the bad boy on the playground who did nothing right and got away with it....brilliantly. Exciting, braggadocious, and makes you want to pull your hair out.
    *Calzaghe- the Enigma. Is he as awkwardly brilliant as he was in dominating the "next big thing" Lacy, stealing his heart in the destruction? Is he a cold-blooded warrior that steals the will of opponents like in his fights against Reid and Kessler? Or is he just a fortune of his era? And how exactly do you create a head to head hypothetical with a fighter so.....different.
    *Wlad- Jekyll and Hyde. One moment a technical destroyer, fighting with the precision and detachment of Ivan Drago. Another, a deer caught in headlights. Is he as good as he is now, or as deficient as he was? Is he even the best Klitschko?


    well, there's my rant. I think there are things we can appreciate about guys we particularly don't like b/c the differences between fighters and their respective dichotomy makes the sport interesting.
     
  2. NullpointerAlex

    NullpointerAlex Active Member Full Member

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    He's got a big mouth but a small brain, yet plenty of talent but no balls to back it up. Ducked fighters for the last decade almost, fought fighters passed their primes and acted like it meant something... But won't fight anybody.

    No matter how I look at it, it doesn't fit in any way with "just simply appreciate what fighters bring to the sport". If I want to watch some dumb **** talk and act like a *****, I'd watch WWE... Mayweather's last real performance was against Corrales, and that was 10 years ago.

    Now the question isn't even if he'll "use his powers for good or bad", just if he'll have the balls to get in the ring with Pac... And the answer is no!

    That's why boxing is a love/hate relationship. Love the sport, but some coward boxers won't fight real opponents! And we get bogus BS fights like Fraud vs Mosley, JMM, Hoya, etc... Or, RJJ vs ****ing Hopkins, 10 years too late...
     
  3. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal Case in point. Thanks.
     
  4. NullpointerAlex

    NullpointerAlex Active Member Full Member

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    What do you mean? That I don't appreciate a boxer like Fraud Gayweather?

    I really don't think that acting like a ***** makes the sport interesting... The gay cherry picking past prime opponents does not make the sport interesting... At all... It makes it tedious.

    And even when watching his fights... I greatly enjoyed Fraud's performance vs Corrales. Sure. But as RA asked Fraud: "That was 9 (now 10) years ago mother****er what have you done since?".

    I thought his performance vs old Shame Mosley was miserable. Sure he won. Yet almost got KO'd against and old past his prime boxer who gassed out after 3 rounds... And the 9 following rounds were utterly tedious because old shame mosley had no more energy, he had no more snap in his punches, he had no more speed, it was ****ing painful to watch... All his last fights were like that, JMM, Hoya, Gatti, Hatton...

    So no... Boxing is inherently flawed because unlike other sports, fighters get to choose who they fight and who they don't. This results mostly in fighters ducking other fighters, or waiting until a fighter gets too old, or loses, or whatnot... Having a gay stupid loudmouth P4P cherry picker does not really make things interesting... Too bad the talent was wasted on him, would have been much better if a guy like Gatti, Ward, had it...

    But, ironically, Pac is the opposite... Fraud was born in boxing, spoonfed boxing since childhood, has done '****' for the last 10 years, whereas Pac has in contrast done crazy ****, fighting Marg who's much bigger and was ducked by Fraud, he's an offensive fighter vs Gayrunner's defensive/boring 12rd style... One wants to fight, the other has no urge and wants to go on vacation, etc... One's a racist dumb black punk from the hood and the other an asian with moustache elected congressman, soft spoken, respectful, etc... Polar opposites!
     
  5. VecArrow

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    Leave it to a ******* to completely turn the thread topic around in the first post.
     
  6. NullpointerAlex

    NullpointerAlex Active Member Full Member

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    Says the butt raped ***** with Floyd's pubic hair still hanging from his mouth :dead LOL


    But you know, all of it would be irrelevant if only Fraud had the balls to get in the ring and fight serious fighters... Then you know, like Ali for example, all the flamboyance, trash talk, would just enhance the fights. But when you have a racist dumb **** yap and yap and yap, and refuse to get in the ring vs the man everybody wants to see you go against, then you know, it's just ***** ****... It's not boxing... It just degrades the whole sport. If he was an average boxer, nobody would give a ****, just ridiculous when it's a guy who some still think today is the #1 P4P...

    Problem is the gay **** affects boxing. Well affects boxing... It affects boxing as there's no boxing... No urge = vacation = no boxing... It also affects boxing as there's bad matches instead of good ones (fat old JMM??? Old mosley??? Past prime Gatti... Hoya???).

    In the old days, boxers wanted to fight each other to prove they were the best. Now you have morons claiming they're the greatest of all times because they chose to fight past prime fighters, duck fighters, and are undefeated... Oh big surprise... Duck & fight older/smaller man, you'd probably be undefeated too...
     
  7. caneman

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  8. NullpointerAlex

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  10. Nonito Smoak

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    Wow... You don't know jack ****.
     
  11. luciuslim

    luciuslim Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Shame boxing fans have become such small minded drama queens that cant see beyond there own bias and conceptions.
    the closest comparison i can think of is video game nerds arguing over their PlayStation's and Xbox's.
    great post by the way nastynas.
     
  12. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ugh...delete this ****.
     
  13. NullpointerAlex

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    How so? Castillo was a mini-Tyson? Gatti was an awesome prime P4P? Hoya was peaking? Judah was the P4P at the time? Mosley wasn't old? Hatton was starting his career and KO'd everybody else he faced for the next 5 years?
     
  14. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please tell me you're not an adult.
     
  15. NullpointerAlex

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    How so?

    Ok let's see what they bring to the sport:

    Ok...
    And who will not fight anybody like I've said before, except past prime and such, cherry picker. Would not be all bad if he had the balls to go where his talent could have taken him... His legacy will be ducking... The fighters he did not fight... Sad...

    Or seriously, does that not matter? Or should we dismiss the fact that for the last 10 years has barely gotten into a serious fight?

    Same **** as above... And he got away with it because he never faced a top fighter until Barrerra... When he did he chose to retire. Maybe Floyd learned a lesson from Hamed and decided he'd never get in the ring against someone who has a good shot against him... Surely what he's admitted in interviews. Why he only fought older/smaller fighters... Again, just highlights the poor state of boxing. That someone can get to 35-0 like Hamed, without ever having to fight anybody serious... Just sad... Doesn't matter if he's flamboyant or not...


    Same! Where was he all those years? Most first heard his name vs Lacy, and then he fought 5 fights, 2 vs past prime (RJJ & Popkins), and retired... If he fought people, maybe there wouldn't be such need to make hypothetical head to head... If he had gone to the USA, faced Hopkins or RJJ before they lost and got old...

    Sad state of HW? Not much to say about the character really... Got KOTFO'd by Sanders though... That was memorable! I remember how the commentators were saying they managed to find him and he was about to retire, had his golf plans made up and all...

    I think there's many things which make the sport not as interesting as it could be, and the things that could make you appreciate certain fighters are wasted by them facing poor oppositions instead of fighting vs the fighters they really should be fighting... And which would give them the chance to shine... Instead you have to admire and praise their ****ing pathetic antics like the 'bad guy' Mayweather wouldn't fight Cotto, Marg, etc..

    Certainly Hamed, RJJ, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Mayweather, all could have given us a lot more enjoyable fights had they decided to step up to the plate and go against serious guys...

    But no... I guess we can at least comfort ourselves that these people existed and that, even if they didn't give us the best matches, at least they were somewhat interesting characters... yay... *golf hand clap*