If you punch really hard anyways isn't being light an advantage at HW?

I listened first time when you listed a string of defeats for evidence of wlad smashing the division. You havent listned to YOURSELF clearly.

fitting that you used the word "contrarian", then.

 

good thing you didnt mention it, as he didnt nearly at all.

please stop turning a reasonable thread into a crazed kliturd angry thread

 

Vitali Klitschko dealt with Corrie very well. He beat the living daylights out of him in fact. Proof positive that Vitali was the better brother and would have been a far better champion- just a shame he had a brother called Wlad who hogged the other belts which didnt allow him to become the clear undisputed champion

On topic- There is no reason why a less tall dominant HW champion cannot come along and be the undisputed one....Its just a different era now and these things go in cycles.

 

perhaps to the abdomen a little, but to a blow to the head, it doesnt on its own really.

a guy facing a clone of himself, who then packs on even 50lbs muscle or fat on, isnt going to get knocked out any slower from punches to the head.

so i agree a small amount of punch resistance to certain areas, but not an increased chin.

 

That's great. Moore's biceps are huge there. His arms look like tree trunks. Pre-steroids! Also, did you notice that he gets out of the car wearing his bathrobe?

 

It happens more than you'd think.

1891-04-27 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Abe Coughle 160 lbs vs 230 lbs KO2
1892-04-26 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Charles Puff 155 lbs vs 230 lbs KO2
1892-09-07 James J. Corbett vs John L. Sullivan 178 lbs vs 212 lbs KO21
1900-04-30 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Ed Dunkhorst 170lbs vs 260 lbs KO2
1900-08-10 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Gus Ruhlin 158 lbs vs 195 lbs KO6
1913-05-20 Gunboat Smith vs Jess Willard 180 lbs vs 230 lbs W20
1914-07-01 Joe Jeannette vs Battling Jim Johnson 197 lbs vs 240 lbs W10
1916-02-01 Jack Dillon vs Tom Cowler 170 lbs vs 205 lbs KO2
1916-06-29 Jack Dillon vs Frank Moran 169 lbs vs 204 lbs W10
1916-12-12 Sam Langford vs Battling Jim Johnson 191 lbs vs 224 lbs KO12
1917-05-01 Sam Langford vs Bill Tate KO5
1917-09-28 Billy Miske vs Carl Morris 178 lbs 228 lbs W10
1918-04-08 Billy Miske vs Tom Cowler 175 lbs vs 210 lbs KO7
1918-12-16 Jack Dempsey vs Carl Morris 185 lbs vs 220 lbs KO1
1919-04-02 Jack Dempsey vs Tony Drake 197 lbs vs 257 lbs KO1
1919-07-04 Jack Dempsey vs Jess Willard 187 lbs vs 245 KO3
1920-11-17 Sam Langford vs George Godfrey KO2
1921-03-18 Tommy Gibbons vs Al Reich 182 lbs vs 219 lbs KO1
1921-08-17 Sam Langford vs George Godfrey 185? lbs vs 220 lbs KO1
1922-09-26 Harry Greb vs Al Benedict 173 lbs vs 210 lbs TKO2
1924-03-31 Tommy Gibbons vs Soldier Lee 180 lbs vs 210 lbs TKO3
1925-01-30 Tommy Gibbons vs Tiny Jim Herman 179 lbs vs 225 lbs KO3
1930-11-28 Mickey Walker vs KO Christner 166 lbs vs 202 lbs KO1
1931-04-10 Mickey Walker vs Bearcat Wright 168 lbs vs 210 lbs W10
1931-08-17 Mickey Walker vs Jack Gagnon 167 lbs vs 209 lbs KO1
1931-10-21 Max Baer vs Jose Santa 204 lbs vs 244 lbs KO10
1932-07-25 Mickey Walker vs Salvatore Ruggirello 169 lbs vs 205 lbs KO1
1932-12-06 Mickey Walker vs Arthur De Kuh 175 lbs vs 223 lbs KO1
1933-11-22 Tommy Loughran vs Ray Impellittiere 185 lbs vs 255 W10
1934-06-14 Max Baer vs Primo Carnera 209 lbs vs 263 lbs KO11
1935-06-20 Tommy Loughran vs Ray Impellittiere 188 lbs vs 254 lbs UD10
1935-06-25 Joe Louis vs Primo Carnera 196 lbs vs 260 lbs KO6
1939-06-28 Joe Louis vs Tony Galento 200 lbs vs 233 lbs TKO4
1941-03-21 Joe Louis vs Abe Simon 202 lbs vs 254 lbs KO13
1942-01-09 Joe Louis vs Buddy Baer 206 lbs vs 250 lbs KO1
1942-01-28 Billy Conn vs Jay D Turner 183 lbs vs 227 W10
1942-03-13 Charley Burley vs Jay D Turner 151 lbs vs 219 lbs TKO7
1942-03-27 Joe Louis vs Abe Simon 207 lbs vs 255 TKO6
1946-03-04 Joey Maxim vs Panther Williams 184 lbs vs 220 lbs UD10
1948-03-09 Jimmy Bivins vs Turkey Thompson 185 lbs vs 222 lbs UD10
1948-05-07 Joey Maxim vs Francisco de la Cruz 189 lbs vs 238 lbs PTS10
1948-09-14 Rocky Marciano vs Humphrey Jackson 183 lbs vs 254 lbs KO1
1948-12-10 Ezzard Charles vs Joe Baksi 178 lbs vs 210 lbs TKO11
1950-09-18 Rocky Marciano vs Johnny Shkor 190 lbs vs 220 lbs KO6
1950-09-27 Ezzard Charles vs Joe Louis 184 lbs vs 218 lbs UD15
1950-12-18 Rocky Marciano vs Bill Wilson 190 lbs vs 229 lbs TKO1
1951-06-09 Archie Moore vs Abel Cestac 177 lbs vs 224 lbs RTD9
1952-02-01 Roland LaStarza vs Bill Wilson 190 lbs vs 220 lbs KO4
1952-11-24 Harold Johnson vs Nino Valdes 176 lbs vs 210 lbs UD10
1953-07-01 Bob Satterfield vs Bob Baker 180 lbs vs 214 lbs KO1
1955-08-17 Bob Satterfield vs Nino Valdes 183 lbs vs 215 lbs UD10
1956-04-04 Willie Pastrano vs Johnny Arthur 188 lbs vs 228 lbs UD10
1956-04-16 Archie Moore vs George Parmentier 193 lbs vs 233 lbs TKO3
1956-09-29 Joey Maxim vs Edgardo Romero 191 lbs vs 249 lbs PTS10
1957-12-17 Harold Johnson vs Sid Peaks 179 lbs vs 215 lbs KO5
1966-01-17 Joe Frazier vs Mel Turnbow 199 lbs vs 231 lbs KO1
1968-03-04 Joe Frazier vs Buster Mathis 204 lbs vs 243 lbs TKO11
1969-01-10 Jerry Quarry vs Charlie Reno 201 lbs vs 251 lbs TKO5
1969-03-24 Jerry Quarry vs Buster Mathis 196 lbs vs 234 lbs UD12
1976-04-30 Larry Holmes vs Roy Williams 205 lbs vs 238 lbs W10
1977-04-16 Gerry Coetzee vs Mike Schutte 210 lbs vs 266 lbs W12
1980-03-31 Larry Holmes vs Leroy Jones 211 lbs vs 254 lbs TKO8
1985-04-29 Tim Witherspoon vs James Broad 222 lbs vs 261 lbs KO2
1985-12-06 Mike Tyson vs Sammy Scaff 215 lbs vs 250 lbs TKO1
1987-06-15 Michael Spinks vs Gerry Cooney 208 lbs vs 238 lbs KO5
1988-04-26 Donovan Ruddock vs Larry Alexander 226 lbs vs 256 lbs KO2
1990-03-02 Ray Mercer vs Kimmuel Odum 213 lbs vs 246 lbs UD12
1990-10-25 Evander Holyfield vs James Douglas 208 lbs vs 246 lbs KO3
1991-04-19 Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman 208 lbs vs 257 lbs UD12
1992-02-01 Michael Moorer vs Mike White 225 lbs vs 275 lbs UD10
1992-11-13 Michael Moorer vs Billy Wright 224 lbs vs 257 TKO2
1993-06-07 Tommy Morrison vs George Foreman 226 lbs vs 256 lbs UD12
1994-01-29 Donovan Ruddock vs Anthony Wade 241 lbs vs 290 lbs W10
1998-07-14 Chris Byrd vs Ross Puritty 213 lbs vs 247 lbs UD10
2001-10-13 Ray Mercer vs Brian Scott 237 lbs vs 274 lbs KO2
2003-03-01 Roy Jones Jr vs John Ruiz 193 lbs vs 226 lbs UD12
2004-11-13 Chris Byrd vs Jameel McCline 214 lbs vs 270 lbs SD12
2005-05-17 Eddie Chambers vs Ross Puritty 217 lbs vs 253 lbs UD10
2005-12-15 Sultan Ibragimov vs Lance Whitaker 220 lbs vs 272 lbs TKO7
2007-04-14 Ruslan Chagaev vs Nikolay Valuev 228 lbs vs 319 lbs MD12
2007-05-26 Alexander Povetkin vs Patrice L'Heureux 223 lbs vs 270 lbs KO2
2007-06-02 Sultan Ibragimov vs Shannon Briggs 221 lbs vs 273 lbs UD12
2009-03-27 Eddie Chambers vs Samuel Peter 223 lbs vs 265 MD10
2009-10-24 Tomasz Adamek vs Andrew Golota 214 lbs vs 256 lbs TKO5
2009-11-07 David Haye vs Nikolay Valuev 217 lbs vs 316 lbs MD12
2010-03-13 Alexander Povetkin vs Javier Mora 223 lbs vs 257 lbs TKO5
2010-04-10 Evander Holyfield vs Frans Botha 220 lbs vs 250 lbs TKO8
2010-04-24 Tomasz Adamek vs Chris Arreola 217 lbs vs 250 MD12
2010-08-21 Tomasz Adamek vs Michael Grant 217 lbs vs 261 lbs UD12
2010-10-16 Alexander Povetkin vs Teke Oruh 227 lbs vs 264 lbs KO5
2012-07-14 David Haye vs Dereck Chisora 210 lbs vs 247 lbs TKO5

 

He's retired. Was never the same after the Douglas fight.

 

A compilation of a fighters from the early to mid 20th century when the sports was still at it's infancy mixed with some known modern fighters against bums.
David Haye vs Dereck Chisora? So you really think there was a significant size deference between the two.
Sultan Ibragimov vs Shannon Briggs?
2010-04-10 Evander Holyfield vs Frans Botha 220 lbs vs 250 lbs TKO8 Being out of shape (Frans Botha) is now seen as a size advantage?
There is so much wrong with your list, I don't know where to begin.

 

It was a compilation of times a fighter who was at least 30 pounds lighter beat a heavier fighter. The poster I was responding to said something like a good larger man beats a great small man every time. That's the context. I might also site Duran vs Barkley, Pacquiao vs De La Hoya or Margarito, Mayweather vs De La Hoya or Canelo, Roy Jones vs John Ruiz if you need more modern examples.

Also, maybe the careers of Dwight Qawi or James Toney could be instructive.

 

Not really. You need to be your comfortable weight, if you're overweight you're just carrying baggage, if you're underweight you are likely to be weak. You can punch hard at a light weight provided it is your ideal fighting weight!

 

Duran vs Barkley De La Hoya, Jones vs Ruiz, Mayweather vs De la Hoya and Canelo are decent examples. A great example will be something like Holyfield vs Bowe ll or Lennox Lewis vs Oliver McCall
De la Hoya vs Pacwas was a farce (Hoya was a walking zombie in that fight)
One thing you however neglect is the lack of significant height differences in some of your examples. When I talk about size as it relates to the heavyweight division, I put a lot of emphasis on height advantage. People always talk about how negative Vladimir Klitschko fought, but that fighting style is a textbook example of how a very tall heavyweight should approach his opponent. It would have done Rick Bowe a great deal but he chose to trade punches with a 6'1 Evander Holyfield. It's simple, yet very effective. I tell you, it will take a very, very, very, very, skilled SPECIAL heavyweight that's bellow 6"1 to beat a Lewis that fought Tommy Morrison, or the Vladimir Klitschko that fought Alex Povetkin.

 

It may be Vitali was the better brother in terms of chin and mentality but Wlad had his own strengths as anyone who stepped in the ring with him, or even sparred, will testify to. He could easily be sitting as a 42 y.o 12 year champion right now.

 

we've had this argument before, and the result is a bunch of pro weighters come on and keep repeating " fat/muscle makes your chin better becos....becos it just does!!!" without them ever justifyign their argument beyond that.

Its tired now, I am frankly getting bored of asking them "but why" again and again and again and again and again more than even typing the world again again.

 

A larger person will gain a given amount of momentum with a lower velocity. That, and F=MA, means he will suffer lower accelerations and the jarring of the brain will be reduced.

 

then you ought to have written the word height if that was what you meant.