If you punch really hard anyways isn't being light an advantage at HW?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm just repeating the law of the universe. Much like 1 + 1 = 2. Which is a universal fact! No matter how many times it's repeated.

    Unless of course, the laws of the universe you reside in diverges. How do we distinguish between what is real and what is simulated to be real and fake?
     
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    you were told, but arent going to stop pretending that I dont know this, are you?

    funnyman.
     
  3. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess you could be right my friend! Weight may just be an illusion. It may not really exist in this Universe. It may just be a simulated concept that we are deceived into experiencing. None of us may possess any weight. Nothing in this universe may really have any weight in it.

    You're correct! I guess weight divisions should just be abandoned, since weight plays 0 part in the outcomes of boxing bouts or combat sports. And every one of us weigh the same in the first place (I mean, we all weigh nothing since weight doesn't exist in this universe) and something must be done to see through the deception and illusion of weight. The programmer of this universe must reprogram this universe so as to ensure we aren't deceptively perceiving weight, when it doesn't even exist.

    You've perhaps made one of the most groundbreaking discovering my friend. Even expert scientists don't have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the concepts you've been conceptualizing.

    You deserve a universally honored prize from every existing civilization that exists in this universe.

    Congrats my friend!
     
  4. kim_jong_un

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    Luis Fernando, weight of a person doesn't really play a factor in acceleration of the head due to a blow, since very little energy gets transferred to the body. The way heads are attached to bodies does not allow it.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    And most of the weight is in the body. People don't usually gain a lot of weight on their cranium. That extra meat on your bicep isn't going to help you take a punch on the jaw. A larger jaw will distribute force better by having more surface area, but this is as much about shape as size. You can be a big guy with a tiny pointy chin. Look at David Price, for instance. Big ol' body, itty bitty pointy head. Out go the lights.
     
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  6. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    u appear to be an idiot of the highest order

    or a character from a Stephen King novel
     
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  7. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That was Mike Tyson.

    Missing since 1990
     
  8. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Size is a part of the power dynamic.

    Size X Velocity and all that...
     
  9. PernellSweetPea

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    The problem is if that smaller guy had a tough fight where he is hit clean he will likely be knocked out by a bigger guy. Size at heavyweight is a huge advantage. Almost to the point of being unfair. I like the Klitchkos, but they were too big compared to many guys they fought. Which is why Spinks beating Holmes was a such a great accomplishment.
     
  10. The Ripper

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    And Ross beat him a pure journeyman
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Was it? Was it really? Spinks and Holmes are both 6'3". What was unfair was Spinks fighting all those light heavyweights he dwarfed. Ditto with Bob Foster. Weight is just one advantage, height and reach are just as important. For guys like Hearns or Arguello climbing weightclasses is way easier than for a Duran or a Pacquiao because they'd go up three weight classes and still be taller than their opponents. Having those kinds of reach and height advantages is about the biggest thing you could have going for you in the sport. You can't put a premium on being able to hit an opponent when you are out of range of his artillery.
     
  12. Geo1122

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    Each fighter will have his ideal weight, size, muscle mass, and this may change, depending on the fight.

    Both Wlad and Lewis, who have been mentioned in this thread, have been two of the finest SHW’s to grace the sport. I’m sure both have come in to heavy at some points during their career, but overall, their size (and talent) has helped them to greatness.

    Wilder seems to be the exception, not the rule, when it comes to being extremely lean. Joshua needs to lose some muscle mass, but that’s because he’s gone extreme the other way.
     
  13. PernellSweetPea

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    no. I do not agree. Weight is the biggest factor at heavyweight, which is why Spinks beating Holmes was great. He avoided Holmes jab, which took away Holmes effectiveness and size, since Holmes could not land his right hand. Foreman's huge advantage was his size, and the Klitchkos controlled an era with size. I never thought they would do as well being the same weight as the guys they fought. If two guys weigh the same there are pros and cons to any style. Get inside on the taller fighter and come up to the head, and usually the taller guy cannot take a punch well since the theory is he is stretched out and cannot absorb like the compact guy can. Guys knew they had to get inside on Hearns, and Leonard did it and so did Hagler. Weight is a huge advantage at heavyweight and on all other weight classes besides heavyweight, it is all fair game, especially if a guy wins a title at a weight. Get to the body on the tall guy. As for heavier guy at heavyweight. Guys can absorb the punches better which change the whole fight. As for fights. Duran for example fought at 154 before Hearns,Leonard or Benitez did, yet the excuse is that he was this small guy compared to them-probably to excuse his losses to them all. Rather easy losses I must say.. Climbing for Hearns was just as hard as for Duran, that has always been the excuse for Duran as well as other excuses. Duran got up to 250 after his career was over, and Hearns probably peaks at 210 pounds. Hearns body frame was small compared to Hill and he still outboxed him, that is more of a great fighter. That is boxing. If a guy like Hearns can be 147 at his height, there are disadvantages to that size. Otherwise guys who are 6-1 (or tall in other divisions)would be champs all the time, and you just don't see it if it were that easy. Whenever we see a tall fast fighter with a punch, usually they mention Hearns as comparison. So his height and success were rare considering most guys his height cannot take any punch, he did and then had a jab and speed.
     
  14. Luis Fernando

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    Who wouldn't be when in the presence of the egregious genius level intellectual in 'Herol Gee' that happened to discover the universal fact that weight is an illusion in this Universe and is insignificant / irrelevant? Who in this universe can compete in the intellectual department with such a genius that happens to be of the 'HIGHEST ORDER'?

    Yup, I might just be a character from a fictional universe.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    i like the way that when you are shown u are being an idiot, you go with it enthusiastically.