If you rate Bob Foster higher than Jones at LHW, why?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ChrisPontius, Jul 20, 2009.


  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you think that Tarver could find Jone's chin and end it ...that's nothing compared to what Foster would have done to him. The history of the lightheavyweight division has a relatively high population of champs who didn't have big power..many great guys, who otherwise compensated for the power deficit. There are some that Jones would have had his way with by virtue of his speed, power and natural gifts (reflexes)...but he would have had no luck at all against the Preying Mantis of the lightheavies...Bob Foster...Foster would have scored a sickening, picture-book ko, something like the Rondon ko...I can envision Jones caught cold with one big punch, head tilted back...eyes rolled back in his head, and Foster teeing off with the coup de grace...a totally unneccesary shot, as Jones is frozen in place, or dosen't fall fast enough...hell the ref wouldn't even bother to count.
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Remember how terrified Vincente Rondon was as Foster was closing in on him in that 2nd round? He knew what the hell was going to happen to him, just as though Foster was carrying a gun. Jones would be just as pysched out as Foster would stalk him menacingly and then find his chin. A foregone conclusion, and a very bad matchup for Jones.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Foster has something like 20 ko's at the 175-200lb mark, I think...I wouldn't describe that as "unsuccessful"...anyway, Jones beating Ruiz isn't enough to make me think he would have done better with Ali and Frazier.

    Anyway, I rate Foster higher because he was better at the weight.
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great question. I couldnt give you one. From 160 all the way up to 175 he was the dominant force in all three divisions. Most here are afraid to acknowledge his superiority at 160 but cover it up when discussing his place at 168, in a meaningless division. I give him full credit however.

    I believe Jones is just as formidable as Foster was because of his unique attributes which many here don't seem to be able to identify.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I think no will dispute that Foster took more risks. But that's not what this is about. Foster did clean out the LHW division, but let's not pretend his opposition was that good. If you'd like to make a comparison of Jones' LHW victims to Foster's, go ahead. I'm guessing it would be very close, either way.


    Not true. At the same age Jones got KO'd, Foster fought the likes of Ahumada (whom he didn't beat), Hardney and Bolden. Not exactly top shelf lightheavies.

    Johnson indeed wasn't that highly regarded, but was a late bloomer who definitely proved himself as a top player since the mid 2000's. Besides Jones he beat Tarver and according to a lot of people (not myself, by the way), should've received the judges' decision against Dawson, who is top5-10 pound for pound even today. Johnson is still in the LHW top5 right now, five years after he beat Jones. While Jones certainly had no business losing to him, especially by brutal KO, Johnson is a capable fighter and about as good as any lightheavy Foster ever fought.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Well, given that Foster lost to every single notable heavyweight he fought, i find it hard to mark it anything else than "unsuccessful".

    And no, i don't think he would've gotten by Frazier.... the Frazier that Foster fought was downright scary, the best and most unbeatable he ever looked. Jones wouldn't be lasted much longer. I think he would've done better against Ali though, and i don't see Foster beating Ruiz, but that is all speculation.

    Why do you think Foster was better than Jones at the weight? I'm not talking head-to-head, just accomplishments.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If you were making a list purely based upon accomplishment i'm sure it would be closer.
     
  8. McGrain

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    His record above 175 was something like 35-6 ish. Not too bad.
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    .... Which is the point of this thread. I noticed that Foster consistently makes peoples top5's. And i'm not judging that in any way, but i just think it's remarkable that Jones, who is similar in the sense that he had a solid reign or even dominance without beating highly regarded opponents, often ranks a lot more low and gets berated for losses at an age when Foster was fighting journeymen and was semi-retired.
     
  10. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Not too bad, but how many of those were rated heavyweights? 0. He lost every time he stepped up, and that's what i call an unsuccessful heavyweight campaign.

    Now, the historical comparison is not really fair, since the likes of Charles, Moore, Tunney, Langford and Greb were only stepping up 10-20lbs in weight when fighting heavweights. Most of them were around 190lbs (incidentally, the same weight of most of Jones' LHW opponents). Foster had to deal with athletic, 210+lbs opponents. For that reason, the cruiserweight division ("Junior heavyweight") was started a few years after, and rightfully so.


    Off to bed now, good night.
     
  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Because I think Foster would have taken his head off ...
     
  12. McGrain

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    Well you're writing off quite a lot of fighters as unsuccessful in that case...Foster wasn't all that at HW, but he only lost 6 times. I agree that he failed to make an impact at the highest level though.
     
  13. ironchamp

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    I think Frazier would stop Jones, but Jones style, speed and underrated power would make for a much better showing against Frazier.

    I think at best given Jones's reluctance to trade, his elusive style and incredible speed would buy a few rounds and quite possibly even win a round against Joe.

    Ali would dominate, but Jones would likely give a good account of himself. His athletic ability cannot be denied; his incredible speed and his "take no chances" mentality give him a good chance in seeing the final bell, seeing as to how Ali was never really a come forward fighter.
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is it about, then? Your question simply asked for the reason(s) people rate Foster over Jones. That's one of them.

    Whether you think it's "close" or not, Foster still proved more and was more successful within his division than Roy was. Foster's chief rivals at LHW were Tiger and Rondon, and he fought them and crushed them both at some point. Roy's chief rivals were Dariusz and Tarver; he failed to fight one and lost 2 out of 3 to the other. Even assuming Dariusz/Tarver are of comparable quality to Tiger/Rondon, the fact remains Foster was far more proven and successful against that level of opponent, which is the highest either of them ever competed against at that weight.
     
  15. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I dont see Foster beating Ruiz. I do rate Foster a bit higher though because i believe he would have beaten Jones