If you rate Bob Foster higher than Jones at LHW, why?

What do their records at heavyweight have to do with anything? It's totally irrelevant.

 

Are you crazy? Joe Frazier would have crushed Jones like a roach ... can we get on the planet , please ?

 

Since just about all Jones' opponents at SMW would have been LHWs in Foster's day, I think it's fair to compare Jones' achivements in both SMW and LHW to Foster's at LHW.

Also, is Tarver really a lighter puncher tha Doug Jones was?

 

Yes.

Jones regularly blasted out contenders both at LHW and HW. By contrast, Tarver has had numerous fights at LHW in which he hit an opponent with everything in his arsenal and failed to stop them.

 

Ok. Fair enough. Doug Jones did KO Folley and rock Clay after all.

 

Why?

They were officially super middleweights. Can't we just leave it there?

 

Comin into the ring they probably weighed about as much as Foster's LHW opponents. Isn't it that what counts really?

 

Maybe, but for me there are too many unknown variables to make it a feasible argument.
Were they really over the 168 pound limit come fight time? If so, by a few ounces or a few pounds? A few may have even been over the 175 pound limit come fight time.
Had there been no super middleweight division, as in Foster's day, a few may have fought at middleweight instead of light heavyweight.

Personally, I'd rather just stick to the known facts and keep things simple.

 

It is complicating things a bit much perhaps. On the other hand, comparing what Foster did at 161-175 lbs to what Jones did at 168-175 isn't perfect either. Comparing what they both did at 161-175 (at weigh in) or what they accomplished against same sized opponents (which would be Jones' at SMW against Foster's at LHW) could give a better picture, even if it's less straight forward.

 

Agreed.

Most fighters usually come into a fight weighing differently than they did at the weigh in anyway, even if the weigh in was on the morning of the fight.

Besides, the logic works both ways. If there's the possibility that Roy's opponents were coming in a weight division heavier, then so might Roy have been as well. There's the possibility Roy was coming into his fights at LHW and maybe even SMW as a cruiserweight; so does that mean we should be rating him as a cruiserweight?

 

Bob Foster would BURY John Ruiz.

 

:rofl:rofl