If you read the IBF rules, there is NO controversy. Bute won.

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  1. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    I was thinking the same thing... You did the right thing, but sadly your career is over. Heads have to roll when the mob is angry, you know...
     
  2. TomaTos

    TomaTos Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, but Bute had to get up, which he did.
     
  3. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It was all up to the ref and he went by the book.It isn't his fault Andrade did it too late and was in a hurry to get on Bute and was taking stteps towards the middle of the ring.Plus the fight was over.Everyone is getting balistic cuz Andrade is a nice guy and I honestly am a fan.I bet no one said anything about Abraham vs Miranda cuz Miranda ain't such a nice guy.
     
  4. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    I have all the respect for Andrade. I hope he wins the title one day - I for sure will be rooting for him (as I have in this fight).

    I love the 'never say die' attitude, the manners and the fact that even though his career was at stake he still had more class than many of the posters around here.

    Having said all that, being branded a robbery victim might, in the long run, be a career enhancing move - take Glen Johnson for example. Anyway, I hope he bounces back and wins something big soon :happy
     
  5. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am quite sure the rematch will happen within 2 fights/per fighter and I will be rooting for Andrade...before and after the fight:D .Really he is a nice guy,don't know how he made it this far,boxing is a sleezy world
     
  6. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    I just hope he learns to protect his head a bit better. Cos it might be granite, but even granite crushes when it gets hit too much... And he would certainly be missed.
     
  7. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Nerve problems...hands get numb...use head as guard:good
     
  8. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    Are you saying he's using his head to protect his greatest asset, i.e. his hands? We'll that would explain many things...:yep

    Reminds me of a program I once watched about guys breaking bricks with their heads for a living. Apparently all the micro-damages made their skulls extra thick - so they could survive forces which would kill normal mortals. If this has been Andrade's style all along, perhaps a similar mechanism explains why he's become near indestructible...
     
  9. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He has a nerve problem in his left hand,if it gets hit a lot it gets numb so he kinda lets it down more so he gets hit more but nothing to serious.
    About the highlighted thing-:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  10. Balistik

    Balistik Member Full Member

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    He wasn't leaning over the ropes but he still needed support from the cornerpost. Now the word cornerpost is not written in the rules neither is it written that a fighter has to take a step forward but we gotta use common sense. The referee's top priority is the fighter's safety. Not the scorecards, not the time. If getting on your feet was enough there would be a lot more deaths in the sport. Bute was still wobbly when he walked to his corner so he wasn't able to continue therefore the ref should have stopped it regardless of the time. This is not the ref's job to watch the time and he can't afford gambling fighters lives because he thinks the other guy doesn't have enough time to do anything. Fighter can't continue = fight gets stopped. Not only did the ref make a bad call that put Bute's safety at risk he also robbed Andrade of his well deserved title.
     
  11. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Continue for what?The fight was over
     
  12. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    Now I get it. Thanks - didn't know that.
     
  13. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    Nothing the ref did following the last knockdown adversely affected Bute's safety. So if that was his prime objective - then he delievered.

    No one, I think, is trying to argue that Bute was able to defend himself. Luckily he didn't need to cos the fight was over.
     
  14. Barber-ian

    Barber-ian Active Member Full Member

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    The ref made the call to let Bute continue. And why not? Bute was up and standing on his own accord before the 10 count.

    Now, you contend that the ref should have stopped the fight because Bute was in no shape to continue. To that I say:

    1) Your contention that Bute couldn't continue is your opinion. The only hard and fast rules regarding KD'd fighter's obligations were met by Bute: He beat the count and was standing facing the ref.

    2) There is nothing in the rules saying that the ref can't refer to the remaining time in determining whether or not to stop the fight. In fact, when Richard Steele stopped the Taylor/Chavez fight with seconds to go, Taylor fans cried foul because their man was ahead. But it was Steele's call, just as it was Marlon's call here.

    Now, even if I agree with you that Marlon made a bad call in letting Bute continue (which I don't), this cannot be called a robbery. Why? Because Bute fulfilled his responsibility in getting up in time, meaning that the ref worked within the letter of the IBF rules.

    Strange ending? You bet. Frustrating for Andrade fans? Yep. Controversial. Nope, not at all.
     
  15. Balistik

    Balistik Member Full Member

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    1) If you go by the book then yeah Bute did beat the count and he did meet the rules required for him to continue but if you use common sense and you watch him closely his body language tells you he was in no shape to continue. If you go strictly by the book then Humberto Soto deserved his DQ loss because he hit Lorenzo with a foul blow after which Lorenzo wasn't able to continue. But common sense tells us that blow wasn't hard enough to cause this and Lorenzo milked it. Sometimes the book ain't sh*t. You gotta rely on your own eyes and your own judgement.

    2) The referee should never even watch the time. He needs to worry about 2 things : rules and safety. The only time a referee should worry about the time is when he hears the 10-second mark because he has to make sure fighters stop at the bell. That's it.

    I believe Bute was unable to continue but that's just my opinion (which is unbiased because I like both guys) in fact the ref should have stopped it after that last right hand from Andrade. I actually picked Bute to win but after seeing how he was at the end of the fight I honestly think my guy lost.