If you read the IBF rules, there is NO controversy. Bute won.

I am trying to figure out how a guy who is up at at 9 or 10 and is not capable of fighting back (and hasn't been for at least 40 seconds) cannot be called knocked out? Also does anyone find it interesting that before the Ref starts the count he is continually looking at Bute's corner? He spends a LOT of time looking at Bute's corner while he should be officiating the match and i CANNOT figure out why. Oh that's right, he was full of ****.

The problem with listing the IBF rules as a defense is that it implies that if the ref didn't "break" any rules that he did his job. Following rules and doing your job objectively are not always the same thing. In fact, the Ref probably acted in a way that he knew the rules would protect, all while not having to his job fairly.

 

A referee administers a count, but that does'nt neccesarily mean that the count is to =10 seconds, in many cases a refs count might be more or less than 10 actual seconds, but what it important is that the falled fighter know that the ref is counting, and where he's at in that count.

.....and even if a count were to=10 seconds (which I'm 100% certain its not)......your account K is that the ref did everything by the book.
He certainly did not.....the ref had no idea whether Bute could get up or not, but what he did biasly and dishonestly made certain of, is that he stall it for what its worth and buy Bute as much time as he could.

Jesus....to stop a count and direct a fighter who's already at the neutral corner to, to go to the neutral corner, when he's already there?atsch :-(

You've made some valid point K, but I'd wish for honesty's sake you take back your statement that this ref did everything by the book.
He certainly did not, the videotape shows all of his bias ridiculous dishonesty to favor Bute, and I am talking about the knockdown and the stalled count that followed it.......
.....that my friend is far from the book!

 

Ive been in and around boxing as a fighter, trainer, boxing writer and above all a boxing fan for over 30 yrs.
Never in that time have I heard of a fighter having his own personal referee. He allowed Bute to hold like a leech all through the fight, he called a knockdown for Bute when it was an obvious push down, then he gave Bute 23 seconds to recover from a knockdown. If thats not biasedthe Pope isnt catholic

 

People don't seem to understand that. Its the obvious ulterior motives that made the situation comical.

 

A few miscellaneous points about some of the arguments in this thread.

As an aside, I thought the knockdown of Andrade was legit. Bute landed a shot on the top of the head, and the force was sufficient to propel an already off-balance Andrade to the canvas. Kind of like Whitaker's kds of DLH and Haugen. Anytime a fighter goes down on the end of the punch, it's usually going to get called.

The referee is supposed to pick up the count from the timekeeper. If the timekeeper failed to start the count from the moment Bute touched down, that's on him, and not on the ref.

And, once again, all Bute had to do from the moment the eight count was completed was to signal his willingness and ability to fight, which was done when he raised his gloves. He then took a (shaky) step forward, and the bell rang. End of fight.

 

Whatever. We saw what we saw; a man barely able to stand on his feet during Andrade's onslaught. Bute clearly lost. **** the rules.

 

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Whats important to remember here is that the ref should have started his count right away, and continued with his count......instead he stalled to begin the count, then without reason stopped the count to admonish Andrade to get back to the neutral corner when he was already there.

We're in agreement as far as that ref being a total biased joke!

 

Did you see the Showtime broadcast?......because thats the broadcast I saw.....

Showtime in the replays was even able to get a shot of the whole ring as the knockdown occured, and all through the whole count up to when the fight ended.
The replay shot of the whole ring, shows that Andrade went to the neutral corner as was directed, and it showed that he stayed within 2 or 3 feet of the exact corner where the ropes join.

Andrade was in the neutral corner the whole time, but this idiot referee decided that because Andrade did'nt have his arms wrapped around the corner ropes, that it would be the excuse to stall for time.

The video tape clearly shows that Andrade was at the neutral corner the whole time!

Showtime my friends, I think they replay the fight on wednsday!:deal