If you read the IBF rules, there is NO controversy. Bute won.

What about Drew's last post is relevant here?
I know that this referee had conveniently an awful time picking up the count from the timekeeper, is that what you mean?

.....and if indeed its the timekeepers fault for the ref not starting a count within reason, that certainly does'nt excuse the ref from stopping his count when Andrade is clearly in the neutral corner.

Apparently you did'nt see the Showtime replay shots that show this to be fact!

 

The bottom of the pile is full of manure left there by the Bute-Andrade referee, it looks like to me you have'nt gotten a taste of it yet!

Hopefully somebody who is competent in setting up video clips around here can post the Showtime clip that clearly shows Andrade was in the neutral corner the whole time!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zqLPOp6J2s&feature=related

- it can be seen that the right hand shot looked like it took almost all the life out of him.
-his eyes are completely glassed over. Its obvious he doesn't even know where in the world he is.
- Its true that he got up around my count of eight. But if the ropes hadn't been there, he would've have pitched face first off of the ring apron, see 3:11-12. Obviously not in any shape to continue.
-The referee counts six twice. You catch a glimpse of his left hand which would only be up if he had reached the count of 6 around 1:10. He then turns around on a dime and admonishes Andrade. He then counts six, seven. Doesn't count eight. 3:13-25
-Bute does NOT take a step forward. He stays in his corner. Why? Because the ref doesn't ask him to step forward. HE DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD. He uses his elbows to push himself off the corner to erect him self. He then places his left foot forward, but his right foot doesn't follow. That isn't a step. The poor guy can't even walk.
-when Bute does try to walk over to his corner once the fight is called, he can't stay upright by himself. The referee is holding his arm and guiding him towards the corner. 3:29-31

He was out....and everyone can see it.

 

He was robbed period.

 

You need to change the thread title, you ****ed your self up straight away with the instruction of
if either contestant is in such condition that to continue might subject him to serious injury.
which bute was he could not defend himself at all he was in danger of serious injury, he could not protect himslef let alone fight back.

 

I just watched the end of this fight again, and wow...I mean, wow!

There's even less controversy than I originally thought!

Bute was up in time and the clock had run out. The ref could have played chess with Andrade before finishing his count. The fight was over.

Now, this doesn't mean the ref is not corrupt. He might be. But nothing in his actions made this a robbery.

In other words, it's possible that the ref was biased AND that Bute won fair and square because he was up at the count of 8.

Now, argue if you will, but PLEASE bring evidence to the table. (Statements like "everyone knows what really happened" or "c'mon, the guy was clearly robbed" DO NOT COUNT as evidence.)

 

Its really besides the point, since the rules indicate that a fighter is deemed up from a knockdown and the fight over, if he's standing and not hanging on the ropes.

The issue here is the refs stalling for time from the moment Bute went down to the finality of the fight.

His stalling for time may or may have not cost Andrade the fight, but because it was so blatant on the refs part, I say that if the IBF reviews the Andrade camp appeal, there's a pretty good chance that the fight will be ruled a no contest!

 

All you are doing is trading your subjective opinion for the refs. Are you more qualified to determine when a fighter has had enough?

Opinion is not evidence.

 

The evidence is there to see, what ****ing part do you not understand, where he could not protect himself, "a fighter must protect himself at all times". Maybe when you actually start watching a few more fights and you see them stopped earlier than this when a fighter is clearly gone and there is no controversy from the losing fighter.

What's your interpritation of when a fighter cant go on, i suppose when they are actually lowering ther coffin 6 feet under?
Oh and hi Marlon :hi:

 

I don't see any evidence that he couldn't protect himself. Yeah, he was hurt, but he got up in time. And he was standing there looking at the ref.

I have seen hundreds of fights in my life, and some refs stop fights sooner than others. Some, like Richard Steele, are quick to jump in no matter what. Others let the action go. We can agree that the call is at least someone subjective. It's the ref's call. Not yours. Not mine.

I don't know who Marion is.

 

at the end of the day people seem to forget that Bute also earned his victory not only by beating the count, which was a hell of an acheivement in itself, and showed true heart and will to win on his behalf, but also my winning most of the rounds rather clearly. I mean its not like Andrade had a big lead on the scorecards.

And for those who thought the ref was unfair, i remember thinking that Andrade was using his head the entire fight, and i couldn't understand why the ref wasn't saying anything. I mean i'm hearing people saying the ref let Bute clinch, but headbutting is an even worse foul, and Andrade was using his head on Bute all night.

I think in a situation like this, where the ref is from the same town as one of the fighters, then any action he takes in favor of the hometown fighter will be viewed as corrupt, even if it isnt.

People need to realise that MArlon is actually very close to Andrade's corner. And he knows Andrade's trainer for many years. Also, Wright has reffed alot of GYM's fights, another point people are not realising.

 

There is controversy. The ref intentionally stalled the fight so the clock would run out.

 

Forget the knockdown.
Just watch the fight again -- especially the last 4 rounds (the last round for sure).
You will see the referee not letting them fight inside -- breaking them up every time.
Natually this favored Bute who fights best from the outside.
And in the last round prior to the knock down/out, you will see the referee doing everything in his power to separate the fighters without just cause and in turn saving Bute.
Nevertheless, Bute is exhausted and Andrade knocks him out. The referee gives him all the time in the world to stand up even thou he is obviously in no shape to continue so as Bute can get the decision victory.
So.
Those ****ing Montreal crooked cocksuckers.
**** them.

 

Why don't you post the part of the rule book that mentions the fact that one fighter is not allowed to grab and hold his opponent constantly thorugh a fight?

Why don't you post the part of the rule book that says it is a mandatory 1 point deduction when a fighter is verbally warned for the third time for the same infraction? Especially in THE SAME ROUND? In the tenth round Librado FINNALY complained about *****, I mean Bute holding him and at that time the ref. FINALLY warned ***** about holding. He then proceeded to warn him TWO MORE TIMES in the tenth round for holding. That is THREE warnings. There is NO SUCH THING! When you get to the third infraction, you take a point. Plain and simple.

The problem is that he should have been deducting points from ***** for holding by the fourth round, not giving his first warning in the ****ing 10th round.

Why don't you mention the part of the rule book that says one fighter is not allowed to grab the ****ING LEG of his opponent and lift it off the ground out of desperation to find SOMETHING to hold on to. By the way, the ref. didn't warn him for this most egregious of actions either.

Don't break out the rulebook unless you are willing to be objective and admit to ALL the crap that happened in that ring last night.

Did you happen to also not notice that almost anytime that Librado landed a punch of signifigance that the ref. found some made up reason to either jump in and "break them up" or give a warning for some phantom bull**** to Librado.

For ****'s sake, the ref. allowed Bute to hold whenever and however long he wanted to, UNLESS Librado wiggled one arm free and landed a decent shot, then the ref. would yell "stop fighting" and "break".