If you think about it, mayweather ideal fighter to beat pacquiao

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  1. r2d2

    r2d2 HATERS GONNA HATE! Full Member

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    and this ^
     
  2. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The thread is about Mayweather being the ideal boxer to beat Pac. We all know that Pac has excellent speed and power, and I stated the only way that Pac wins is by hurting Mayweather and either knocking him out (highly unlikely given Mayweather's amazing defense and intelligence) or hurting him to the point where he goes into a shell and looks to merely survive. Also, if you were a boxer what would you rather have: great speed AND great defense + underrated power & amazing boxing skills or great speed/power, but only ok defense & boxing skills?
     
  3. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac is just as fast as mayweather so i can see him landing a punch that he won't see coming. I'm glad pac is the underdog in this fight cuz i love how he keeps shocking the world.

    Barrera-morales-delahoya-hatton-cotto...mayweather can join this list if he underestimate pacman.
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Too bad PBF doesn't underestimate people it's a reason why he's still undefeated that and he's a level above those fighters mentioned.
     
  5. markclow

    markclow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Style-wise Mayweather has an advantage no doubt.
    However I think that Roach has already been working on the strategy to beat FMJ for some time.
    Roach will retool Pac ready for this job.
     
  6. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac is also a level ahead of anybody floyd has defeated.
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I hope he can teach Pac some defense find him a jab and make his arms can grow a few inches as well.:yep
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Probably but he's not the hardest fight ever stylistically for him as PBF is for Pac. That's the difference.
     
  9. markclow

    markclow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You never know - FMJ may just make it look easy. He is a brilliant boxer after all.
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed.....and vise versa...PAC has the talent and ability to give Floyd his 1st loss. Which is why this fight is a toss up. Either man can win this one and who ever has the better game plan going in will have the advantage over the other.
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually the style match up are nightmare's for both. Floyd has problem with pressure guys...Hatton and JLC. The difference is PAC is operating with the same kind of speed and natrual ability that he enjoys. Plus the intelligent pressure PAC applies will be difficult for Floyd as well. Floyd can handle constant aggressive pressure but PAC's pressure has more dynamics. Floyd will have a difficult time with PAC's spuratic offense...one that isn't easy to predict. Floyd is so good at times b/c he knows what his opponents next move will be...he won't know with PAC. I'm sure he'll adapt but it won't be easy. PAC will have just as hard of a time figuring out how to penetrate Floyd's "D".
     
  12. hmm

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    hmm says . . .

    Based on your logic; I think Pac has the tools to beat PBF
    I also believe if that PBF is going to win, it won't be from an "ass whoopin" but rather just from points...
     
  13. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    This is correct. The fight boils down to whether PBF can avoid getting hit. He will land some shots on Pac, but won't KO him. If Pac can land a few decent shots, the fight will swing strongly in his favour. PBF's defense is great, but Pac's offense is too.
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I respectfully disagree Charlie. Pac doesn't apply intelligent pressure. Intelligent pressure is working behind the jab, getting inside and cutting off the ring Pac does none of this. He has no jab, he doesn't cut the ring off just follows people around relying on his athletic ability to get in and out and he doesn't fight on the inside or go to the body. Pac is all out aggression and IMO it's not the type of pressure that will beat PBF especially not following people around which is the one of the worst things to do against PBF I might add. If I said this once I've said it 1000 more times no fighter will beat an elite defensive counter-puncher lile PBF without a jab. You need a jab to offset his rhythm and keep him honest without one he will just pick you apart and skate to a UD win.
     
  15. gottaluv3logies

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    i respectfully disagree to your disagreement. PACs pressure is in fact intelligent pressure...Hatton's pressure is an example of unintelligent pressure (no head movement just pure aggression and physicality). Pac pressures you with angles and combos, keeping you at a high tempo fight (his tempo which is very smart) with alot of speedy body and head movement (making him hard to find and hard to telegraph *very smart once again). Pac has a great jab which he used to rely on in his earlier fights in the featherweight division (he used to be a jab jab straight left guy). He then became less dependent on the jab because he developed an arsenal of punches with both hands and he stopped facing guys of equal height and reach. Just because he has picked up the abilities to kick start combinations with something other than the jab, does not mean he does not have a good jab. Mayweather has one of the best jabs in the sport, but he goes rounds not using it because the situation doesn't call for it.

    I agree with the post. On paper, Mayweather's style should be trouble for Pac. Defense seems impenetrable and he's superb in just about everything (variety in punches, angles, off the back foot, on the ropes, coming forward, countering, evading, the list goes on). However, IMO Pac is faster than PBF and I'm just not fully convinced he can deal with the hand speed ( he had trouble with judah's and Judah lacks the lateral movement to compare with Pac). But, both fighters have proven me wrong on several occassions so I don't rule out PBF dominating as a possibility.