If you were a boxer who would sign with? Haymon? Top rank? Golden boy?

I would definitely have dinner with Kathy Duva to see what she could offer me.

 

I don't like all three. Duva would give me a good deal, can't trust Arum or Oscar. Haymon? I am not so sure about him...............

 

K2

 

i dunno if theres such a thing as a "cant miss" prospect anymore....i mean...andrade was pretty close to that label....great amatuer career and an olympian that had a good buzz....i dont know exactly what kind of deals he had in front of him but he def took the wrong route

 

it bothers alot of people ron....especially a fellow, native, rhode islander

as far as being blackballed? well....he did have that fiasco with roc nation and he said it badly damaged his relationship with showtime....he was gonna fight jermell charlo 3 years ago at the mgm.....he claims roc nation was going to sign him and told him to pull out of the bout...he said he told them he needed the money and that roc said they will pay him to pull out......none of it ever happened....and some of the parties were pissed at him...espcially showtime.....he said hes building his relationship with them back hopefully.....we shall see

i think the main point though was....i mean....top rank had to have at least been intersted in him coming out of the olympics...yet he chose a smaller, 2nd rate, outfit

 

600,000 on Haye over Bellew... Ouch

 

Thats right canelo would be a nobody with k2. You have to have extraordinary skills to get anywhere with them whereas golden boy you just have to be average and they will protect and overhype you and earn you easy money. Its a no brainer.

 

Canelo got where he is at because he always sought the toughest fights. Money, weight, or risk has never been an issue.

3-4 years ago GGG had an opportunity to capitalize on the endless hype HBO was giving him by fighting Ward or accepting the 155 CW with Canelo. Lara and Trout were also calling him out. Instead he opted to fight Dominique Wade and Willie Monroe.

Bad business and legacy defining decisions all around by him and his promoter.

 

Matchroom

 

Prime ggg was a beast. Ward and canelo absolutely refused to fight him at 160 he was unbeatable and they knew it. Hell ward refused to even meet him half way. Speak the truth

 

LOL

The truth is this:

GGG claimed he would fight anyone between 154-168.

-SMW Andre Ward was more than willing to call GGGs bluff and invited him to fight in his division SMW. GGG refused and requested a CATCHWEIGHT
-Canelo who had never fought above 155 also called GGGs bluff and challenged him to a "non-title fight" at 155 CATCHWEIGHT, Golovkin flat out refused.

Prime GGG was unwilling to put his money where his mouth is.

Ward, rather than waiting for GGG moved up to 175 and fought Kovalev who is obviously bigger and the consensus was that he was better and more dangerous than GGG.
Canelo in his quest to fight the best moved up to 160 since GGG wasn't going to move down for him like he said he would and

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Can I school you on anything else?

 

Canelo was a Jr Middleweight. Ward was a SMW / LHW. Ward didn't want to drain himself down to 164 which would have made him unhealthy in the same way that G didn't want him drain himself below 160 which would have made him unhealthy.

2017 was the first year that Canelo had ever fought at 160. Canelo was being asked to fight Golovkin at 160 before he had ever fought at 160. If Prime Golovkin was 2015, arguably he was no longer prime by the time he fought Brook. (remember all the comments about how he didn't look healthy in the build up to the Brook fight), so even if Canelo fought him at the earliest possible time (2016) you could argue Golovkin was no longer prime by then, or didn't look as good as he did in 2015, and we'd likely have the same excuses even if Canelo fought Golovkin when you wanted him to.

The length that a fighter is actually in his prime could vary depending on fitness level and how healthy the fighter is. It's even possible for a fighter like Golovkin to look out of prime for a few fights then make some changes to diet or training and return to Prime form again.

Some fighter's primes are more unclear than others. Like for example, I don't seem to remember anybody making the argument that Mayweather was ever out of his prime, even as he approached his late 30s in his final fights, even though there were signs. Looking back on it, Mayweather's prime was probably when he fought DLH or Hatton, but Floyd said himself that his body started breaking down long before that, so really it's debatable when his prime actually was.

If Golovkin has a great training camp and comes into the Canelo rematch looking like his 2015 self again, all of a sudden he could be considered still in his prime, with him going through some poor health in 2016-2017 where he looked less than 100%. I mean, I definitely see where the argument that he's declined comes from, but really a fighter's prime is the best version of the fighter that you remember. Typically the length that a fighter is in his prime spans over a period of time, but it really depends on the fighter. I'm sure if you go back there's fighters who were in their prime, had some bad health or whatever the case may be, and fell out of prime for a while, then made improvements to their life and got back into prime once again.

Some fighters peak in their 30s, while others are "prime" in their 20s. Look at Daniel Jacobs. You could argue he's the best he's ever been in his last few fights. Look at a fighter like Tarver. Started his pro career late in life, and didn't really appear to peak until his mid to late 30s. One of his best performances was when he upset Danny Green in 2011, by then he was well into his 40s. I mean, he looked more "Prime" that night than in several lackluster performances he had years earlier. So I wouldn't rule out Golovkin returning to prime this year after several less than steller performances. Even Canelo, he looked Prime vs Chavez, had no stamina issues whatsoever, stood between rounds. But 4 months later, he was a different fighter. A lot of that had to do with the level of opponent, but also there were other factors like fighting at 160 instead of 165, only having 3 months to prepare instead of 8 months, etc.

I just think that this year, both fighters are in a better place now and will be in better position to give the best versions of themselves come fight night. Whether Golovkin is still in his prime or can return to prime remains to be seen, that can only be judged based on how he looks in May, but I'm optmistic that we're going to see the best version of Golovkin we've seen since 2015, and Canelo too will look more like the guy who fought Chavez than the guy who had stamina issues in September. If that happens, you have all the ingredients to give the fans a fight for the ages.