If you were Martinez' promoter...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by WatchfortheHook, Apr 20, 2010.


  1. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    The problem for Martinez is stylistically he does have a lot of disadvantages. I'm not convinced he's quicker than Floyd, and whilst a good technical fighter, isn't on the level of Mayweather. Floyd is smarter and has no trouble picking off single punches. Martinez would need to be jabbing against Floyd and throwing combinations and trying to use his size, but I rarely see him jabbing and I rarely see him throwing combinations. If he tries to dart in and out with straight left's and right-hooks, Floyd may be able to see them coming.

    I'm categorically stating now, I am not necessarily picking Floyd to win btw. :lol:

    *I was referring to 154. At 160, well, Floyd shouldn't go there. Period.
     
  2. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :huh
     
  3. kirk

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    If i was solely for Martinez's interest...

    First guy i would fight is Cotto.

    Then id TRY to get shane/pac/mayweather at 154.... wouldnt happen as i dont think any of them want to see martinez at 154, so then move on to

    Williams. He deserved another crack at williams, and it is the most meaningful matchup available for martinez 154-160.

    Get Cintron in to beat him down and get the W officially.

    setting up a rematch with Margarito.... id like to see Martinez avenge that loss and i think he can.


    Cotto,Williams, Cintron, Margarito.... if he cant get any of the big three at the moment (pac mosley may)

    just IMO
     
  4. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
  5. TommyV

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    I disagree. It's just that he has an unorthodox and particular style. He is all about exploting defensive gaps and frailties and athleticism. He's show that in his last 2, 3 or 4 fights. Unfortunately, Mayweather doesn't possess defensive frailties - particularly to pot-shotting - and he matches him for athleticism.
     
  6. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Martinez has had an extremely active jab throughout his career, though it wasn't showcased much in either the Pavlik or Williams fights, and he showed in the last 4 rounds against Pavlik that he can throw combinations. I think a fight between the two is a bit of a toss-up.
     
  7. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Try to get PBF in the ring. That would be the most intriguing match up. Otherwise Pac did say he wanted to get a title at 154. However MArtinez is not shot or weigh drained there so Roach will wait until one of those or both take effect on Martinez.

    Mosley would make for another big fight but probably the easiest to make would be MArtinez-Margarito as Margarito will fight anyone right now.
     
  8. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto at 154 would be a good choice but I don't think Cotto goes anywhere near that match up. I think he'll end up facing Pavlik next and that would be Martinez's best scenario. A Pavlik rematch would probably pay him the most money especially since this time he's coming in with the belt and the victory. Martinez matches up better with Pavlik than he does Williams and he'd be the favorite in a Pavlik rematch. I think Pavlik can make some changes in a rematch and can still beat Martinez but he'd have to be on his game to do so. But the thing is that if he were to lose to Pavlik there would be a good shot at a trilogy there, essentially giving him 2 gauranteed big paydays and at 35 he doesn't have a lot of time to cash in on the big fights.
     
  9. WatchfortheHook

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    As the thread starter, the only reason I put Cotto above Floyd is simply because I don't think Floyd would fight Sergio. Even if he was positive he could beat Sergio, Sergio has not yet proven to be a draw. He's not been on a PPV, his fight with Pavlik only drew about 6,147 or so at the gate(mostly Pavlik fans), and he's not any of these options: a Mexican icon, a British icon, a Puerto Rican icon, or a boxing legend, really he's a man without a country like they said on the broadcast. So Floyd would at the very least would wait a few fights before he took that on. But I suppose it's worth it just to try.

    Pavlik, of course, has the rematch clause but who knows if he takes it. He said he'll probably see what his weight is like in a couple weeks before deciding...

    And of course, though Paul and Sergio had a FOTY candidate match last year and it's a rematch that needs to happen, with Paul not being a huge draw I don't see him launching into PPV status with Paul...could be wrong though. The reason I'm thinking Cotto is A) it's a VERY winnable fight and B) Cotto is a proven commodity via being a Puerto Rican icon and will have a country behind him. Even though Arum doesn't seem to give much of a crap about Cotto, I agree that he might not be keen on the idea because he probably wants to pass him around in Top Rank only matches.
     
  10. TommyV

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    He needs to consistently do it to beat Floyd though and he hasn't really shown the ability to do that throughout an entire fight. Although Floyd hasn't got an active style himself, it takes a lot of energy to be expanded to give him trouble, and Martinez may have a few stamina issues aswell. He was out on his feet from exhaustion at the end of the Williams fight, and seemed to take a few rounds off against Pavlik.
     
  11. Maxmomer

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    I honestly don't understand where this comes from. The last two rounds of the Williams fight he was till throwing and moving plenty. He did very well in the championship rounds. He looked tired in his corner, and he was obviously not as fresh as he was at the beginning of the fight, but nobody would be after going through that kind of war. I've seen fights of his where he threw plenty of jabs every round, though they were from a while back and at 154. Being older and fighting at a higher weight, its understandable that his stamina isn't as impressive as it has been. The Williams fight is the only one of his I've watched where he seemed visibly tired, and he was fighting a big volume puncher, and there was a fair bit of wrestling going on as well, which is very energy sapping. Even then in the final rounds his movement and volume of punches were exceptional. Against a smaller man with a low punch output like Mayweather, and at a lighter weight, I don't even see Martinez getting winded. There's no way in hell Mayweather would make Martinez work close to as hard as Williams did.
     
  12. Andyw

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    If I were Sergio, unless Pav exersizes his rematch clause go back to Light-middle. more decent match ups there and might be able to tempt one of the big name welters up. There is nothing outside pav at mw.

    I'd like to see pav or PW rematch first then if succesful cotto or cintron. Then if he wins a couple maybe margo at lmw to even the score
     
  13. RJD

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    A fight with Bute in Canada would make the most money.
     
  14. str1

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    A fight with Bute at 160 yes, at 168 no way! As people are saying his best bet will be Cotto or Margarito, MONEY WISE. Pac/Floyd/Mosley won't even go near Sergio, not because they are scared but because their excuse will be that it won't be a big money fight. Which it won't, those 3 have nothing to prove anymore and are only after the big bucks which can be find by fighting among each other.

    If Sergio fights PW (another good option for boxing fans) and loses, his stock will go down alot. Another third match will need to be made in order for him to gain his momentum back if he were to lose to PW.

    At 35 Sergio has at most 3-5 good fights left. So his best options(money wise) in the short term will be Cotto and Margarito. By beating those two his real moneymaker will be just around the corner. But the rematch clause still exists with Pavlik. Only time will tell I guess.
     
  15. Armo_Ruski

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    i dont get y no mention of sturm??? sergio is the perfect guy to go to germany and face him. after this fight then have the huge rematch martinez vs. PW with what 3 MW titles on the line??? thats PPV worthy right there!!!