if you where to critique tyson and holyfeild and vice versa in strengths...

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  1. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    how would it look?

    prime tyson-

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    stronger legs
    much better handspeed
    much more punching power
    better defense
    better offensive arsenal

    prime holyfeild-

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    much more mental toughness
    possibly stronger upperbody
    better recuprative ability when hurt
    better infighter
     
  2. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    id agree with all of that
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Holy was also better at blocking shots IMO, although Mike's head and upperbody movement was an overall better defense.

    Holyfield had a better jab in his prime, and IMO was better at controlling range and possibly pace.

    I think Holyfield's offensive arsenal was just as varied as Tyson's, even though the shots themselve were considerably less damaging than Mike's.

    As a whole, Evander was more versatile as well.

    Both were terrific combinations punchers and both had good stamina.

    Everything you said pretty much fits as well.
     
  4. butler08

    butler08 Active Member Full Member

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    how holefield could be cosidered to be a better in fighter then tyson is just crazy
    tyson is possibly the best in fighter i have ever seen
     
  5. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    ...How so? Clinching?
     
  6. Arka

    Arka New Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of what was written above,apart from the fact that I thought that Tyson had an incredible jab at his absolute peak.

    He was outjabbing and knocking back Holmes with that shot .
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I'd add prime Holyfield having better counter punching ability, and maybe a slightly better chin.
     
  8. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The two outstanding differences are Tyson's power and Holyfield's heart in other ways they both pretty much the same although they are not similar in the way they fight.
     
  9. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Tyson is even with, or better than, Holyfield in almost every regard. What Tyson lacks is Holyfield's will to win.

    Tyson never really wrestles with anyone in the clinch, you can not get strength comparison there. In the 3rd round, of their 2nd fight, you get to see Tyson bull Holyfield on his way to being disqualified. Tyson looked like the stronger man in that round.

    Holyfield's first victory over Tyson was 12 weeks worth of strategy crafted by Don Turner. When orthodox fighters face each other, normally their lead legs are lined up between each other's feet. Turner had Holyfield line up with his rear leg between his opponent's feet for the Tyson fight. This took away Tyson's left hook. What that stance did is line Holyfield up for Tyson's right hand. That is the first punch Mike hit Evander with in their first fight. If Mike were really trying to out think Evander, maybe he would have noticed this. Turner also had Holyfield tie Tyson up and push him on the inside. This pushing served 2 purposes. One, Tyson doesn't really get into shoving matches. Two, if Tyson were to try to punch, the punches would lose a lot of heat pushing through Holyfield's weight. This strategy would make it necessary for Tyson to adapt, and adaptation is not Tyson's strong suit.

    I don't think I have ever seen Mike Tyson hurt as bad from a punch as I have seen Evander Holyfield. Holyfield just fought back like losing was not an option. Holyfield loved to push his will on opponents. Tyson just wanted to impose his power.
     
  10. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    that truly was the difference between them.. you nailed it..