Ike Ibeabuchi v Joe Louis

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Legend X, Jun 7, 2017.


Who wins ?

  1. Ike Ibeabuchi

    21.4%
  2. Joe Louis

    78.6%
  1. Howitzer1888

    Howitzer1888 Active Member Full Member

    981
    795
    Jun 7, 2017
    Whilst Ike may be a little overrated, and Joe one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, I do struggle to see how Louis, who was just over 200lbs or so at his best, would be able to cope with the combination of attributes that Ike has. I'm not saying Ike wins this but there is around a 35-40lb weight advantage as well as the fact that Ike could take a punch very well, could punch hard himself, had decent boxing ability, was physically strong and had a lot of endurance. It would be interesting for sure.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2017
  2. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    2,264
    764
    Dec 7, 2008
    I would hate to see this fight cause i love joe Louis.

    Joe doesn't have the size and footwork to keep ike off him, and he would definitely get hurt in the exchanges by a bigger, stronger guy.

    Ike by early to mid rounds tko
     
  3. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,129
    1,762
    Jul 1, 2015
    Ike couldn't so much as hurt David Tua even though he landed 332 punches over 12 rds. He had a 75% knockout ratio against 90% bums and journeyman. Joe Louis would have knocked out at least 19/20 guys that Ibeabuchi fought. If Joe landed 332 punches against Tua then Tua would have been knocked out cold.

    Bottom line is Ibeabuchi was a sub par fighter who never even fought for a world title and struggled against mediocre contenders of his own era. It would be disastrous for him against a top 3 greatest heavyweight of all time.
     
  4. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,912
    5,195
    Dec 23, 2008
    Maybe or maybe not.At his best Tua was known for his chin and durability as well as his power. The question is if Ibeabuchi had landed 332 punches against Joe's chin, could Louis have stood up to them for 12 rounds like Tua did?
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,129
    1,762
    Jul 1, 2015
    It doesn't matter how good of a chin he has, 332 punches should be enough from a so called 240 lb power puncher to put anyone out. Yet Tua came forward the entire time.

    Louis had miles better defense than David Tua. 332 punches wouldn't even land but if it did then Louis would be just fine because the majority of the punches that Ibeabuchi landed were practically slaps/had terrible technique. Ibeabuchi wasn't a big puncher. Not known for any particular punch. He was slow on top of that.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,578
    Jan 30, 2014
    On the flip side, I seriously doubt Louis would have been able to withstand some of the hellacious punches that Ike took from Tua.

    BTW, as you mentioned elsewhere, most of those 332 punches weren't serious "bad intentions" blows but point-scoring blows delivered against a physically strong opponent with an amazing jaw, who was constantly pushing him backwards and throwing & landing very heavy blows in return.
     
    ascended and ticar like this.
  7. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,129
    1,762
    Jul 1, 2015
    332 punches from a so called 240 lb power puncher and no knockout. It doesn't add up. The truth is that Ibeabuchi was a mediocre heavyweight who has been talked up on boxingforum24 by gen x posters that want their era to be the golden days of boxing when in reality it wasn't.
     
    Eddie Ezzard likes this.
  8. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    6,315
    664
    Mar 18, 2005
    Ibeabuchi's inflated reputation benefited greatly from circumstances.

    If a motivated Lennox Lewis had faced him around 2000, he may well have been defeated almost as soundly as Tua and Grant were. People forget now that those two were rated highly too.
    There's a chance Ike could have troubled Lewis like Mercer did or landed a KO punch like Rahman did but I'm not sure that would be the most likely outcome.
    How would Ike have faired against Vitali Klitschko, for example, really ? And did we really see enough of him to say he'd firmly defeat Rahman or the spoiler Ruiz even ?

    Ike was too strong and powerful for a 1999 Byrd, he was durable and he boxed slightly better than a 1997 Tua. But that's all we can really say about him.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,578
    Jan 30, 2014
    All fair, reasonable points but of course we don't actually know how Louis would have done against any of these men either.
     
    Flash24 and Legend X like this.
  10. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    6,315
    664
    Mar 18, 2005
    That's true.
    But most people agree that Joe Louis in his prime was a seasoned, experienced and great fighter with top boxing skills and a great array of punches. He defeated a variety of contenders and styles and sizes. I think it's likely he'd defeat the majority of contenders in any era, only a small few might upset him.
    I don't think Ibeabuchi stood out enough to bet against Louis in that one.
     
  11. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,334
    9,941
    Jun 23, 2008
    The Brown Bomber would wipe his ass with Ike.
     
    choklab and Mr.DagoWop like this.
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,578
    Jan 30, 2014
    Good post
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Welcome back. No call here, but I must ask if Louis was too skilled, how come he could not win the majority of rounds vs Schmeling, Conn, Walcott, or Charles. These were probably the best 4 boxers he fought, and they out pointing him.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,733
    29,083
    Jun 2, 2006
    Perry's posts were made in June!lol
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Well the RED BANNED is gone from his name, so I think he can post now if he wishes.