Ike Ibeabuchi v.s Rocky Marciano

OK, Chief.

I just rewatched Walcott-I. Here's Rocky's punch output as I counted it. And I was generous, including little taps on the inside and everything but the dozen or so headbutts he attempts in the early rounds.

1 - 35
2 - 37
3 - 42
4 - 40
6 - 43
7 - 28
8 - 24
9 - 40
10 - 46
11 - 36
12 - 21

Where are the 80 punch rounds? Where is the unstoppable punching machine? I saw a guy loading up and swinging for the fences with nearly every punch, then stalking, waiting and waiting before trying for another home run.

Ultimately, he achieved the task but it wasn't by output.

 

So one fight means he can beat Marciano. Then Brewster can always KO Wladimir,Holyfield will beat any version of Tyson because he stood up too him.

David Tua couldn't even KO former middleweight Chris Byrd, He couldn't KO Rahman so he hit him after the bell and then got a gift stop,couldn't even KO him in the rematch depsite Rahman getting a belting from Lewis and Holyfield.

 

I'm just trying to illustrate that their comparative output between Ibeabuchi and Marciano is not all that different, and that given their respective opponents physical assets, might in fact favor Ibeabuchi.

But I will take under consideration your assertion that Tua couldn't punch.

 

But one fight in a 30(?)fight history doesn't conclude anything except he had a good punch output one time.

I didn't say he couldn't punch,you said he was one of the hardest hitters the HW divison has seen even though he couldn't knock out any of the near top/ top level HW at that time despite them being KO'd by other HW.

 

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To your credit, against counter-puncher Byrd Ike average nearly 60 punches within the first 4 rounds (233 total punches). I still wonder if he would've been able to sustain it. No way a musclebound Ike had more stamina than Rocky. He had good stamina, though.

Marciano showed incredible endurance and output against Moore, particular in the last few rounds. He threw quite a bit of leather against Charles and Cockell, too.

But earlier in his career there was no doubt Marciano was a more calculated slugger. This is why he scored more one punch KO's, and looked to have more lethal power. This is part of the reason Marciano & Goldman tried getting Marciano going early in the Walcott rematch. Another general point is that Marciano was often a bit of a slow starter.

 

You can see him turn in it on, definitely. I forgot how badly Joe had him hurt in the 10th. Even the commentator was looking for the finish. But he just kept trying to line up the big shot. He was definitely timing the right very well over the last couple rounds. There are some little things, mostly adjustments and feints that Marciano used that are very nice. And he liked his headbutts, too.

Whatever, he was a great, great fighter.

 

Oh, and he had extremely low output in the second Walcott fight!

 

Definitely some nuance to his game as you correctly point out. Marciano was no stranger to rough-housing like most aggressive fighters. Apparently, he was semi-blinded in the middle rounds due to some ointment getting in his eyes. You can definitely see his manager Al Weil panicking and flailing at the ref to check Walcott for doing something dirty. Marciano told his good friend that all he could really see was a "hazy shadow" to follow. If it wasn't Rocky's corner, it was the stuff on Walcott's skin that made contact with Marciano's head/eyes that caused it. There was some lone voice of reason that was leading Rocky through this sight of haze and confusion. Goldman and Weil did not handle the situation with any sense of composure.

Marciano-Walcott I is a great fight. Probably the most exciting one if his career, and I suspect it's drama would be better than Charles-Marciano I even if we had all 15 rounds of that fight. I say this because it lacked ebbs and flow and was more of a Charles early round opening to a Marciano sweeping.

Eh, he was clearly more aggressive I thought but Walcott was much more negative which probably hindered the actual number of punches thrown by Marciano.

 

marciano was just better and more proven than Ike and so was Walcott. Yes, ike had potential and his fight with Tua was a great fight but Tua was one dimentional and the result of this one great fight was that ike suffered headaches, delusional hallucinations and went quite mad. His fight with Tua was never duplicated gainst another good heavyweight. It was his Tokyo Douglas night if you like, never made any headlines before as a prospect either. Nobody would bet Ibeabuchi was not a drug crazed steroid abuser, what odds would you bet that he wasn't?

 

You do know that Ike KO'd Byrd in 1999, right? Something of a real feat back in that day and a style very different from Tua's. So, for all his short career, it seems like he was not just a flash in the pan had things continued.

Again, there is no proof he was on PED's. He wasn't an overly large heavy for the era. And he was in fact damn big in amateurs. Was anybody on his team ever connected with a notorious PED user? I don't recall Cokes ever being accused of running dirty camps. The guy was bat**** crazy, plain and simple, but this never manifested itself in the ring nor is it any proof of PED use.

 

Byrd wont go down in history as much of a fighter. Ibeabuchis output against Byrd was not that exceptional. He chugged around like an old horse and looked slow and tired before its conclusion although it was a good fiinish. Ike looked easy to hit and I am sure he could have come undone against more power because he was getting frustrated in that fight. good prospect with potential, nothing to bet your house on and in light of his look and behaviour most likely a PED abuser.

 

It did, when he kicked ezra sellers and went crazy during sparring. police were called and everything. He was an accident waiting to happen.

 

Choklab is a ****ing spastic

 

What does this prove?.... Walcott fought on the back foot most of the time and tied Rocky up when he got close. The comparrison is moot.....Rocky was a smarter boxer than Tua.....He'd attack Ike in and out, side to side, create space, counter, feints, hooks to the body, overhand rights , lead hooks, uppercuts..Basically eveything Tua didn't do.

 

Ike knocked out Byrd because he sat on the ropes and pretty much gave him the win on a silver platter....Byrd was not a good Heavyweight.